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Noel
Bush is a *@%$
ChrisyBhoy
QUOTE (Nollaig @ Jun 5 2004, 06:21 AM)
Bush is a *@%$

I second that, Noel.
Bj�rn
Change one lettar and we all agree.... Even the topic starter

(I changed the letter for you)
Americanizm
that wasn't very nice... I like Bush, because I mean....Kerry is just a faggot
Noel
why do you like bush though? Look how he has changed the views of the irish struggle......he has effectivily branded us as terrorists.
GermanGlenfiddich
has he? I never heard him say something bout ireland (probably it would've been "Where is...IRELAND???") and WHO did he call terrorists?
Charlotte
For God's sake, just vote Kerry. I don't give a damn who he is or what he thinks. The real point is to get rid of Bush as soon as possible ! How would you cope with four more years with that brainless b*st*rd??? Couldn't be worse with Kerry.
Noel
He didnt say that we irish were terrorists.... He started this "war on terror" the british are trying to bring new laws in "against terror" once this is brought into northern Ireland......................................(you get the picture)

On the other side of that, he is tryin to change the attitude of the americans to view the people fighting for freedom as terrorists...
And as charlotte said, hes a brainless b*stard
Christophe
Kerry for sure!


P.S. My personal favorit was Howard Dean, but too progressive for America off course...
Sean
Kerry sux! Bush is nothing!!!
Vote for Patrick!
Fianna
Fuck Bush, I wish the cunt an early grave. An unmarked grave at that.

For a "Proud American" who managed to avoid active service in Vietnam and never completed his time in the National Guard, that fucker sure has one hell of an appetite for war.

Everything about George W. Bush's life is suspect and shrouded in secrets, from his military record to his election as President, he is one fucking bad joke. And the joke's on the American people, who are too mind-fucked by their own Government's propaganda to do jack-shit about it.

Nobody should be under any doubt that Bush is after oil. Oil is money. Money is power. Pursuit of justice, freedom, liberation...they're all heroic sounding, morale boosting cover-words under the umbrella of the "War Against Terrorism"; a war that works wonders in brainwashing the US public and even most of the world.

The USSR, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein...all bogeymen hyped up to cause fear. Who'll be the next scape-goat? Every day we hear a "new warning of inevitable terrorist attacks on US soil", that "Al Qaeda are poised to strike again" with an attack "bigger than September 11".....all lies. Lies that create fear. Put fear into the population, they demand protection. They see their troops fighting and killing Muslims; the face and skin-colour American's recognise in their ignorance as the enemy, as those who wish them dead, those who carried out September 11. And so the American people feel safe, feel that Bush is protecting them...what does it take for the American people to wake the fuck up?

This motherfucker supports Ariel Sharon; a sick, fucked-up individual who wouldn't think twice about destroying a refugee camp and massacring scores of innocent civilians in order to destroy "secret tunnels" or a couple of militants. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an innocent baby Palestinian for an armed Israeli soldier. A man who will order a helicopter gunship to hover hundreds of feet above a car, blowing it to pieces with a missile regardless of whether it contains women or children, because they suspect the driver is a militant.

We of all people should know what it's like to live under such power hungry individuals; men who will never heed the desires of their own people, men willing to subvert the democracy and people they claim to protect in order to gain positions of power.

The only language they understand is the language of force, which is exactly how we should negotiate with them.
Noel
is fior a r�
Patrick
Fianna, good to see you are still around as well. The American government has been 'conditioning' its citizens for years. Between the stupid one-sided views of the media, and the stupid senseless crap they show on TV (and calling it entertaining). They are making Americans dependent on being told what to do and when to do it. When the day finally comes (and it will) when the shit hits the fan, There will be an uprising like never before. There will be Marshal law (meaning the Military can shoot anyone on site) and people like me will not be sitting quietly in my house waiting to be told what is going to happen next. Kind of reminds me of Belfast in the 70s. Anyway, dont listen to the rantings of a little piss-ant big mouth like Americanism. He is a cocky little shit that has been warned and deleted a few times. As far as ME for President? No way! Too dangerous!
GermanGlenfiddich
somebody should actually inform me briefly about the current political situation in (Northern) Ireland (PM me, please, anyone?)
As for the Bush thing - i don't think a change of president wouldn't be a change for the better...it's not the person, it's the party, and the parties usually sell the same things to the people, there are just differences in the WAY they sell them and tell them. I think a "democracy" with a two-party-bite-at-each-other-to-be-in-charge-system won't be able to exist any longer than it is able to fool the people - see example GDR (except we had just one party and i attended the "Velvet Revolution" on my dad's shoulders)
Fionas
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They are making Americans dependent on being told what to do and when to do it. When the day finally comes (and it will) when the shit hits the fan, There will be an uprising like never before. There will be Marshal law (meaning the Military can shoot anyone on site)


The Nazis did exactly the same thing...
Christophe
Phew Fianna! Hell, I couldn't say it better!

Democracy is so-called power to the people by the people...
Well it's about time they REALLY give power to the people...
GermanGlenfiddich
well, i don't see the big uprisal in the nazi times ( i gotta know, as a german, i am taught about the third reich the most detailled way one can imagine,i suppose ), but i think "the military can shoot anyone on site" is a little bit too generalized definition of martial law.

"Martial law is the system of rules that takes effect (usually after a formal declaration) when a particular situation requires that a military authority take control of the normal administration of justice (and usually of the whole state).
Martial law is instituted most often when it becomes necessary to favour the activity of military authorities and organs, usually for urgent unforeseen needs, and when the normal institutions of justice either cannot function or could be deemed too slow or to weak for the new situation, i.e. due to war or civil disorder, in occupied territory, or after a coup d'etat. The need to preserve the public order during an emergency is the essential goal of martial law.

Usually martial law reduces some of the personal rights ordinarily granted to the citizen, limits the length of the trial processes, and prescribes more severe penalties than ordinary law. In many countries martial law prescribes the death penalty for certain crimes, even if ordinary law doesn't contain that crime in its system.

In many countries martial law imposes particular rules, one of which is curfew. Often, under this system, the administration of justice is left to military tribunals, called courts-martial.

In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions handed down during the American Civil War and World War 2. In Ex Parte Milligan 71 US 2 1866, the United States Supreme Court held that martial law could not be instituted within the United States when its civilian courts are in operation.

In Canada in 1970, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau invoked the War Measures Act in response to a terrorist-led kidnapping incident called the October Crisis which imposed a variant of martial law on the country.

On September 21, 1972, President Ferdinand Marcos introduced martial law in the Philippines after a series of bombings and civil strife perpetrated by the Communist Party of the Philippines. By virtue of Proclamation No. 2045, martial law was lifted on January 17, 1981.

Martial law was introduced in Poland by the Communist regime on December 13, 1981 to prevent democratic movements (such as Solidarity) from gaining popularity and attendant political power in the country. Many democratic leaders, including Lech Walesa, were imprisoned. This state of affairs lasted until 1983.

[U]Martial law existed in Taiwan from April 18, 1948 to May 1, 1991 that allowed the Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek and his successors, to utilize dictatorial powers. They had utilized this after the 228 incident, where thousands of native Taiwanese were massacred "

(online enzyklopedia)

the last part shows the possibilities...still martial law doesn't necessarily mean that you get shot when leaving your house for shopping...unless you go when during curfew
GermanGlenfiddich
what i forgot : Christophe...what would be your version of "power for the people" ? everybody going back to huts and caves, hunting and gathering berries? socialism ( which would be wonderful, if your goal was propaganda,economic devastation and silencing free thoughts ) ...what wuld be real democracy for you?
Christophe
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socialism ( which would be wonderful, if your goal was propaganda,economic devastation and silencing free thoughts )


Oh, come on...
I'm not saying socialism is THE ideal system, but it sure can't be worse than the ultra-liberal conservative world order we have now. Qua silencing free thoughts, I wouldn't say that's a monopoly for a socialist system (there are always abuses) but look at the US... How many coups d'�tat (right-wing) have they launched, supported etc. against left-wing governments that were democratically elected (unlike Bush), especially in Mid- & Southern America.
So don't come with those simplistic arguments as you did now, just a too black-white view...
Tom McB
QUOTE (Patrick @ Jun 8 2004, 01:43 PM)
There will be Marshal law (meaning the Military can shoot anyone on site)

Oh dear-
you may mean Martial law

and shoot on sight

Not the sharpest tool in this box laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Americanizm
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif yeah, run for your lifes! it's marshal law
Fionas
hmmm, the problem is, that the parties in every republic are building "groups" (so called coaliations) and work against each other...
if one group says something, the other group says something different... they don't cooperate

I dunno if thats in evry republic, but in the USA and in Germany it is like that!
Irelands_Son
All I have to say is that Bush or Kerry what difference does it make, they are both Mason's in the Masonic church. They are on the same level, 8 previous Presidents were masonics. ie. Bush Sr.

Also if you think your vote counts in the USA your are wrong , ie. Florida recount, they put in who they want.

Also anyone of us who post here are all consider terroristic threats under the Patriot Act. so yes God Bless the USA, cause I hate them!

9/11, inside job by a joint task force involving various government bodies, CIA. FBI. etc. Think of this Who told NORAID to stand down, they were going to shoot those planes out of the sky before they hit anything. The Anthrax poisonings! The Anthrax was traced back to a FBI lab! Wake up people, you don't need to be corn fed your whole life. The war on terror ended in Afghanistan, this is an illegal war for Oil and bragging rights. One big PISSING contest!

Ever thought why gas prices have gone sky high? Guess who has most of the worlds reserves? Gold is a thing of the past and they have lots of that!

Why is it that they have not found Bin Laden? Because he's in the USA!




Well this is just the ramblings of a bored pissed off Republican, merely an opinion of the author and in no way reflects the opinions of the webmaster or the site owners/operators!



GermanGlenfiddich
Sure,Christophe,there is always limitations to justice and freedom, and sure, i am not happy either with the way the word "democracy" is abused these days. But with today's "democracy" we at least do not have people being arrested,tortured murdered as an open secret as it happened in argentina til 1983...under the eyes of the world community...and i think this is the biggest problem: the ignorance of the world about things like that happening, just llok at ruanda. the country is being literally funded by the industrial nations, at times 90% of the government`s budget were development aid! and they use the money to entertain a huge army, attacking from time to time neighboring countries.
even if this example might seem very far away, Bush's election back then shouldn't have gone unnoticed and unattacked by the international law, cause it's breaking all democratic basic values...


(cool, i made a connection between my ramble and the topic)
Americanizm
QUOTE (Irelands_Son @ Jun 18 2004, 09:13 PM)
All I have to say is that Bush or Kerry what difference does it make, they are both Mason's in the Masonic church. They are on the same level, 8 previous Presidents were masonics. ie. Bush Sr.

Also if you think your vote counts in the USA your are wrong , ie. Florida recount, they put in who they want.

Also anyone of us who post here are all consider terroristic threats under the Patriot Act. so yes God Bless the USA, cause I hate them!

9/11, inside job by a joint task force involving various government bodies, CIA. FBI. etc. Think of this Who told NORAID to stand down, they were going to shoot those planes out of the sky before they hit anything. The Anthrax poisonings! The Anthrax was traced back to a FBI lab! Wake up people, you don't need to be corn fed your whole life. The war on terror ended in Afghanistan, this is an illegal war for Oil and bragging rights. One big PISSING contest!

Ever thought why gas prices have gone sky high? Guess who has most of the worlds reserves? Gold is a thing of the past and they have lots of that!

Why is it that they have not found Bin Laden? Because he's in the USA!




Well this is just the ramblings of a bored pissed off Republican, merely an opinion of the author and in no way reflects the opinions of the webmaster or the site owners/operators!

a little extreme there don't ya think?
Patrick
not extreme.. Accurate
Americanizm
QUOTE (Patrick @ Jun 21 2004, 03:57 AM)
not extreme.. Accurate

if you think you're being looked at as terrorists, you have been looked at as terrorists long before America ever went to war. And as for the whole Bin Laden is in America issue, pull your head out of the clouds man unsure.gif
Charlotte
Go to see Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore !
Starring Georges Bush and Colin Powell
Irelands_Son
My head is not in the clouds mate! I have known long before this 9/11 movie came out that Bin Ladens family were wisked out of the USA by DIA agents not CIA. And if you think that this statement about him being in the US is way out there maybe you should turn of CNN ! There is so much that you would not belive if I told you! I do not claim to have any inside info but certain things can not be passed off coincidence.
Patrick
I think its more like a teenage smartass that has rich parents that praise Bush that has been drilled into his head. It has to be. Anyone else in America KNOWS better.
Americanizm
QUOTE (Patrick @ Jun 22 2004, 05:02 PM)
I think its more like a teenage smartass that has rich parents that praise Bush that has been drilled into his head. It has to be. Anyone else in America KNOWS better.

ok man, who are you going to vote for? kerry! kerry is no better. he supports stemcell research, abortion, gay marriage, do you think he actually cares about America???? on memorial day he went to the vietnam memorial in washington dc and cursed out a vietnam veteren in front of a small child, what good did kerry do in vietnam? he put down his comrades that saved his fucking life. fuck kerry, he is worthless, has no morals
GermanGlenfiddich
stemcell research,abortion,gay marriage...sounds all pretty...umh...PROGRESSIVE to me!? sure, the issues of abortion could be discussed for weeks and years,but in general, i think it should be a woman's right to decide whether she wants to have a child or not,unless she does it every second month,carelessly.
the two other issue are quite indiscussable things, stemcell research could get us far and gay marriage just HAS to become a thing the generation after us takes for granted.
Fionas
hey, and dont forget what thus brave veterans in vietnam did...

they raped women, children, men...
pillaged and plundered the villages without bothering if they were allied or not...

Bush is worthless, too and has also no morals?

but there's a difference: Bush has proven that he is worthless and has no morals!
Patrick
If you look back at every Republican administration over the last 40 years, you will find something very interesting(or offensive) ie: At the begining of each Republican administration, America has had some sort of federal surplus of funds. The Democrats know how to curb their spending and even put a few extra bucks in the bank. At the end of each Republican administration, America has had some sort of federal deficit. The Republicans tend to spend more than they actually have.
GW Bush is no different. At the end of the Clinton administration, America had the Largest surplus of federal funds in history. Today, 4 years after George Dubyah has been at the helm, America has the Largest deficit it will ever see. How many Billions of dollars has the war in Iraq cost so far? Who is going to pay for this? Our children AND their children. How many Billions of dollars from oil is going into Bushs pockets? There was no reason why America should have invaded Iraq. WMD? How stupid does Bush think we are? Without the UNs support, Bush decided to invade anyway. It certainly wasnt about the oil though. Bush is just a Liar.
You dare have the audacity to challenge Kerrys integrity over Bush? Kerry wouldnt be my first choice, but ANYONE will be better than Bush.
Fionas
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it's a woman's choice to kill an unborn child because of her careless ways? I hardly thinkso. What is the difference between killing an unborn child and killing a grown man? the grown man can fight back! abortion is murder plain and simple. gay marriage is just outrageous, what will happen next? will people be marrying animals? or what about polygamy? not in america my friend, not at least if i have anything to do with it


he never said that ist a woman's choice to kill an unborn child because of her careless ways...
I think he meaned that abortion is ok, if there's a good reasen...
e.g. an american soldier raped the women and she becomes pregnant...
It wasn't her choice to get a child!

about gay marriage, dont you think it isn't a bit racist to say something like that?
The Nazis thought the same about it... and in my opinion this ideology died after the victory of the russians above the third reich (they arrived in Berlin first )

GermanGlenfiddich
see,it was predictable you would come up with the "careless ways" - point. that's why i included the "unless she does it every two weeks, carelessly" take a closer look next time.
@fionas : it doesnt necessarily have to be an ( american ) soldier raping a woman. my brother's girlfriend was pregnant but the doctors guessed it was something with her intestines, gave her chemical treatment, x-rays and such...when they discovered the unborn child, everybody knew it would have been heavily handicapped, physically and mentally....just as a case-example.

about the homosexual thing.
@ all : did he just compare homosexuals to animals? good, americanizm,let me show you one thing and ask you one question?



DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS?
Charlotte
Rose triangle = homosexuals in Hitlerian concentration camps
Charlotte
Americanizm, I'm only warning you.
I never allowed anyone to make any racist comment. Homophobia is no better than racism. I won't accept it either.
We may discuss many issues such as gay marriage or children's adoption. But I will not let anyone discuss homosexuality itself. These people have a fair right to it. This is not a disease, just as being a Jew is not a disease.
And I won't let you praise segregation : What's next, will you refuse blackmen to get into the same bus as you do?

Now this is my last warning. If I see any other intolerant comment from you as regards homosexuality, I will increase your warning level and delete your intolerant posts and this, until you get your reason back.
Charlotte
Listen now, I'm not telling it twice. Homosexuality has nothing to do with any illness or chemical inbalance. I'm a depressive and for god's sake, I know what chemical inbalance is! And what I have is nothing comparable to homosexuality. Except maybe that homosexuality may lead to depression : why? Because of people like you : intolerant, unable to understand, telling them they're some mistake of Mother Nature, some perverse, chemical inbalance or whatever. They're just as normal as you are! Maybe even better, for I'm getting to doubt of your morality. I don't know from where you got all these prejudices, but God said we are not to judge, because we will be judged too. Will you throw the first stone?

Now I want no further word about this all. And remember that you were warned twice !
Patrick
I just read some strange comparisons about Kerry and John Kennedy. Their initials are both JFK.... They are both from Massachuettes.... They are both Catholic.... AND they are both Irish. JFK for President in 2004!
Sean
Patrick, but according to your comparasion - they both will get the same caliber?
Charlotte
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damned terrorist

Don't be ridiculous, he was only joking.

QUOTE
not judging, just telling the facts. research it sometime 

yeah yeah yeah and the "scientifics" who found out about these facts were either nazis or religious fanatics. In any case I told you to stop with your fucking prejudices !
Fionas
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not judging, just telling the facts. research it sometime 


that could only be scientist that are members of a sect...

are you a member of a sect? you should go to a doctor, maybe it will help!?

being member of scientology is not a good thing... you are ill, believe me...
Fionas
yeah laugh.gif
Chucky Armagh
To all regular posters here:

If you ignore idiots like this Americanizm he will go away. If you react to him then he has won !
Charlotte
OK Americanizm. You were warned.
Charlotte
I deleted all your last posts. I saw your warning level was already at 75%, so I guess Patrick or Roidsear or Bjorn did it already.
Anyway, you're only one click away from 100%
GermanGlenfiddich
still things like this gotta be discussed...well, we got quite far off the original topic anyway,didn't we?
Charlotte
Discussed yes. As long as it is done in the respect of everyone and of the values of this forum. Americanizm had respect for none.
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