ChrisyBhoy
Jan 22 2004, 11:11 AM
Exactly.
Lets say we were to use the Armalite and blow the Brits out of Ireland.
It is DEFINITE that then, the Loyalists will start their own campaign.
Werewolf
Jan 22 2004, 11:27 AM
| QUOTE (LAN' @ Jan 22 2004, 07:13 AM) |
| The North wants to remain British. That was proven in the last general election a few weeks ago in which all (Republican and Unionist had the chance to vote). |
To carry my example of gunmen in your second floor a bit further, dear LAN, in that situation the majority upstairs would vote that the squatters should be allowed to stay.
If we can select a small enough sample of the people of Ireland we'll find a 100% agreement for any stupid thing. The point is that it's not up to just the people in the Six Counties to decide on a matter that affects the whole island.
Chucky expressed his concern for what would happen if the BA just pulled out overnight. Naturally there would be problems, and I'm not saying that just packing up and leaving would be the best solution. What I am saying, however, is that the British presence in the North of �ire is unjust, unwanted and illegal.
Charlotte
Jan 22 2004, 11:52 AM
| QUOTE |
Nobody is being ridiculous !
We all want a United ireland on here. Lan was merely pointing out the constitutional and logistic problems that, sadly, are the realities of the situation.
If the British government just pulled out now and allowed us our 32 county republic then how do you envisage the streets of Ulster ? Just imagine all those orange men with their bowler hats and sashes waving the tricolour.
Let's get real ! You cannot look at this in such simplistic terms !! |
I never said there would be no troubles. I said it was ridiculous to try to find a compromise in a situation in which there's none possible. I'm waiting for ur suggestion of a compromise that would get everyone happy. Moreover, I wouldn't mind the Orange bastards. Those are only fascists, I'm not even willing to hear anything of what they have to say. But i'm ready to deal with other unionists. But it couldn't go further than promising they should be safe and free when Ireland is one again.
Fionas
Jan 22 2004, 03:10 PM
hmmm, I think LAN is a republican and at the same time he is none...
he tried to get the views of the opposing site... am I right with that point, Lan?
but you... we should never forget the heroes that did fall for the republic, were beaten on the battlefields, shoot or hung, or dwelled in the prisons...
we would dishonor them by giving up a united Ireland, dishonor the cause for which they fougth and died...
but we should try it with a peacfull way, we should do it for Eire that mourns for freedom
ChrisyBhoy
Jan 22 2004, 05:47 PM
Noel, dunno if any of that was aimed at me about fallin into a net, but just in case.
I form my own opinions and I've had these opinions for a good long while.
Hell, I was one of the first to start hounding LAN' when he first came here.
Roidsear
Jan 22 2004, 06:47 PM
| QUOTE (Fionas @ Jan 21 2004, 10:11 AM) |
| QUOTE | | F�ilte gu tir an airm... |
aye Roidsear, it's my favourite from them
|
Mine, too...
Ironically, it fitted perfectly here...
Charlotte
Jan 22 2004, 07:16 PM
Maybe a bit of translation so that everyone can have a laugh?
Fionas
Jan 22 2004, 11:24 PM
Charlotte, do you know Runrig? (I think you know )
they made a song with the name "Tir an Airm" - in English "Land of the Army" and Roidser is right, it fitts perfectly here
here is a link to the lyrics of this song in Gaelic and in English:
http://www.jimwillsher.co.uk/Site/RunRig/L....html#TirAnAirm
| QUOTE |
| U EXPECT US TO LET THE PROVIES JUST SAY ITS OVER LETS TRY THE PEACEFUL METHOD. |
I mean that we first should try a peacfull way, and if that doesn't work, then fight
Chucky Armagh
Jan 23 2004, 01:48 AM
I love this. Sensible debate. Cool.
One point Lan made which is irrefutable is that when there were elections North and South the overwhelming majority voted for peace and the GFA. Like it or hate it you must back up the mandate of the majority. That's why the provos are in cessation. All those calling for a return to war are clearly against the wishes of the majority of the Irish people.
Fianna
Jan 23 2004, 04:16 AM
Yes Chucky, they voted for the GFA and devolved government.
Where is it now?
Chucky Armagh
Jan 23 2004, 04:29 AM
Good point Fianna.
So if we go back to direct rule (from Westminster) it will be interesting to see what Sinn Fein decide. And then what the provos do next.
Let's watch this space mo chara.
Our day WILL come.
Fianna
Jan 23 2004, 04:59 AM
For all intents and purposes the Six Counties are under direct rule.
And sure why should Unionists budge to even share power? They have the grand life, getting paid a handsome salary by the most stable employer in the world for refusing to form a government of elected representatives and obstructing the "wishes of the majority".
Ain't democracy great?
Charlotte
Jan 23 2004, 05:07 AM
Well you know how it is :
Dictatorship is shut up
Democracy is keep talking!
Roidsear
Jan 23 2004, 08:07 PM
| QUOTE (Charlotte @ Jan 23 2004, 03:16 AM) |
| Maybe a bit of translation so that everyone can have a laugh? |
Sorry, Charlotte... it was not my intention to lock anyone out by language...
This G�idhlig (Scottish Gaelic) song is from Runrig,
written by Calum McDonald.
Published on the "Recovery" album 1981, if I'm right...
It is named "Tir an airm" - "Land of the army"
"Nis leugh t-eachdraich, fosgail suil
Anns gach linn mu dhoigh an Airm
Stampadh air na croitean seagail
'S beathannan og aig gillean Uibhist"
"Now read the history, open (your) eyes
For every generation and the military way
Stamping on the rye in the fields
And on the lives of the boys of Uist"
...I hope my translation is right, as it is 3 o'clock @night
and I'm feckin' tired...
O�che mhaith le cheile, good night together....
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