hmmm, maybe Sean Connery?

A bit too old...

hmm, I though all women like older men...

Feck, I hope some do !

Fionas,
indeed, but not too older !

ChrisyBhoy,
I never heard about Eliza Dushku, Charisma Carpenter (who are those women?), but Cate Blanchett is just perfect

Hey, I know one Irish beauty, who could steal everyman's heart!

Countess Constance Markievicz

http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/images/countesc.gif

http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/images/con-ev.jpg (left)

During the Easter Week -

http://www.wirade.ru/Archive/832_Irish_Reb...es/countess.gif

Bloody hell!!! Seems I started one hell of a conversation here
Religion divided most... Women united all!! If that could be true in real life?!

Well, Fianna that Irish rock-singer girl seems indeed quite cute. I like women with some "panash", some guts...

About that wild geese-thing, hmmm... I'll let that to Belarus! Oh and Fianna, who says I'm talking about some shallow yankee women?! I'm talking about shallow Belgian babes! Not so very famous, but beautiful! If they did their best, they could even "get" me, as Charlotte so nicely states...

Why do women prefer older men? Cause they've got more cash and nice car, etc...
All that bullshit about maturity...

They are GORGEOUS.

Eliza Dushku



Charisma Carpenter

Bringin the board down to a whole new level!

Watch out though, the women around here might start posting up pics of men with next to nothing on to even the score, we don't want that. Charlotte, mysteryghirl, LAN'...they'll all start posting.

Yeah Christophe, I like a girl with guts too. And if she plays guitar it's a bonus. Rock chicks, that's where it's at!

Sl�n tamaill

Christophe

Religion divided most... Women united all!! If that could be true in real life?!

Yours or mine personal preferences in women are not worthy of a good fight.

Religion is

Should we start playing rock to find Love finally ??

great idea

Fianna: That's it mate! Chicks and rock'n roll, the ideal combination!

Belarus: Women are certainly worth a good talk with a nice pint of bitter to quench the thirsty throats!

Religion worth a fight? Not for me, but if I look at humanity's history I do suppose it is...

I dont understand u people why do you people, Why do you have brition so much? You say you are being controlled by the English, but your not. England has less rights then all of you in brition and yet u say you are being oppressed by England. People in scotland wales and northern iarland have their on palerments but England dosnt. why? you tell me. what would scotland do indepent? Brition is already a small contry and scotland would be small and with a population of only 5 millon. And the SNP's argument for scotish indepence is that the the "main partys are only talking about english issues" The reason they talk about english issues is because england has most of the people of the uk in it i think 90%. I think you guys shoudl get over yourselfs and be proud to be british. I am scottish and i live proud of my britishness, my mom is english and my dad irish, Why cant we all live togetter in harmony.

I dont understand u people why do you people, Why do you have brition so much? You say you are being controlled by the English, but your not. England has less rights then all of you in brition and yet u say you are being oppressed by England. People in scotland wales and northern iarland have their on palerments but England dosnt. why? you tell me. what would scotland do indepent? Brition is already a small contry and scotland would be small and with a population of only 5 millon. And the SNP's argument for scotish indepence is that the the "main partys are only talking about english issues" The reason they talk about english issues is because england has most of the people of the uk in it i think 90%. I think you guys shoudl get over yourselfs and be proud to be british. I am scottish and i live proud of my britishness, my mom is english and my dad irish, Why cant we all live togetter in harmony.

Well, I won't be explaining it all again, particularly because it sounds obvious to me.

maybe it was the part about understanding/Not understanding the situation.
Yes, we can all live together in harmony..... Once the Brittish influence is gone.

Wouldn't be too sure Patrick, your own land lost the British influence abt 250 years ago and you don't seem to be living in harmony yet.

Dammit .. and here's me thinkin these posts were gettin good .. takin me ages to play catch up and by the way .. Eliza and Charisma are nice why is it when it gets good and people let their hair down that someone has to go and turn it political again .. a just wanna cry lol anno peeps .. am the last one that should preach bout no turnin things political but a can't help it anno a said it once before .. but a just gotta say it again ... DAMN good to be back and am switchin back to my original identity always preferred to be a bit of a devil

British Control is gon 250 years ago, but the influence still exists

Good try but the british never treated conquered peoples like the Americans- a level of genocide was unleashed on the native americans which was not matched until the holocaust.

Is true wa Tom says bout the Americans and the Native American Indians, but also is true that the Brits were even more brutal in their tactics. The brits were no more than barbarians, hence the word, 'hun.' If you look throughout history at the barbarism displayed by them in their quest to conquer, then you'd see who the true masters of genocide were. The fightin with the Natives weren't started by the, 'American's,' but by their predecessors, the brits. How did the earliest of American's learn their hatred for the natives? How did they learn of the barbarisms? Monkey see, monkey do. I'm no sayin that the Americans were blameless, but I'm tryin to point out exactly who started it and how they learned their methods of warfare, but does seem they advanced further than their predecessors Also, I'd like to point out that no all the American's see things the way their leaders do and no all support their leaders either. Don't judge a nation by it's leaders ... there's been many fine Americans. Just a shame they have to have representation like Bush. Kerry would have made a better president There's been an equal amount of brits that were actually good people also. Tis a shame ave never met those people that a actually hold in high esteem, perhaps at the end of my days I'll meet those people. Till then ... HaPpYdAzE to all yous

I wish to congratulate everyone for comments all round, and encourage you not to fight (btw one for the books, im a republican too add me to da list), however there is something special that Chucky Armagh said and that No one seems to understand.

I have actually fought about this with lots of both Republicans and Unionists, and It was only pure pleasure whenever I saw what he said, which fully helps express my point of view.

QUOTE (Chucky Armagh @ Dec 11 2003, 03:58 PM)

Unionists stupidly cling to "britishness" and the UUP's slogan was "Simply British". Well my passport tells me I'm a "Citizen of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" so Mr. Trimble, constitutionally you ain't British.

As far as as I Understand it, Great Britain is only made of 3 Nation (Englans, Scotland and Wales, even excluding the channel islands) and the United Kingdome includes Northern Ireland, we have more general and global things like the nations that form the Common Wealth.

However one thing is for sure, and whether you like it or not, if you are born in any of the 6 occupied counties, YOU ARE NOT BRITTISH, you may be a citizen of "your magesty's united kingdome", but YOU ARE NOT BRITTISH.

QUOTE (Lancashire @ Dec 16 2003, 01:48 AM)

Correct.� The UK is the 2nd largest member of the EU behind Germany, so it's inevitable that our smaller neighbours will feel our presence.� We are also the 2nd most powerful country in the world after the US.

You lost me there, how can you be behind germany in Europe yet be over them in the world.

Not taking da piss, would love to have you clarify this for me!!

how did you, orginise this ratings!! cuz surely the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world is not the US is Japan

it would be mostly appreciated if people don sum, (only a little would do) research

QUOTE (Lancashire @ Dec 16 2003, 02:00 AM)

Being a Bhoy must mean you are a Celtic supporter.� In that case, why are you proud to be Scottish?� I thought that you Celtic supporters are Plastic Paddies.

no need for that biased and sterotypical comment

MON DA HOOPS!!!!!

btw im from belfast I AM IRISH

Wee devil- you're having a laugh

The slaughter of the native americans did not begin until after American Independence.


Er naw, the huns were a barbarian tribe, the only other group to call themselves the huns were kaiser william's boys. When he sent out German troops to quash the boxer rebellion in China he asked them to "bear yourselves as Huns of Attila"

Think ye might be thinking o' the lyrics of "The Foggy Dew"?

Tom, I will attribute the omittance of historical fact down to your advancing years. The British Empire was directly involed in the subjegation and forced deportation of entire people groups from Africa. Depart London, fill your hold with future slaves in Africa, transport them to the new world, replace them with cotton or gold, and return to London. The triangle trade made a good many fortunes, all the while allowing the British to looks down their noses at slave owners in their colonies.

The slaughter of the natives yes ... but the first they were killed .. mebbe no in masses such as the Americans did ... but the first of the murders did start before .... also ... am always thinkin of the lyrics to Foggy Dew but ... tis'nt the song a was thinkin of when a made that statement. Have you ever studied the history of the British warfare? Were they not brutal? They were barbaric. Anno that for some they don't see them as brutal and there's other countries same as ... but the Brits have been some of the most brutal .. in and outta combat. Cruelty must be a way of life for some of them. Many countries have made many grievances against her majesties royal fuckin crown .. no just the Oirish. Ever felt like you were beatin her head against a wall? If you'd like .. I'll take the bloody time to show you the best examples there is of British brutality in war ... a mean above and beyond that of normal 'warfare.' I've fuck all to do till Oct.

and by the way (RHCP) .. if yer gonna quote me .. then at least have the decency to quote me exact and no put in extra words ... may have been implied .. but a never stated it

Further to my last Tom, and in regard to your referencing the Holocaust. It's interesting to note that "Concentration Camps" were invented by the British to demoralize and control the Boer commandos by locking up their women, elderly and children.

While the tactic was eventually successful, it was and is a low point in the empire's history.

Bill the slave trade was a disgrace- no question- though it was hardly started by the British Empire. And was St Pat not a slave taken by the Irish?
The concentration camps- indeed another low point, but they were not the death camps of the holocaust.

BTW, less o' th eold, the truth hurts.

Wee Devil ma frien' , apologies for the misquote, quoted your bit, then meant to put the modified bit in my box- bad manners - veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy sorry

I could take context to show that the barbarities which occured during the founding and expansion of the British empire were just that, barbarities, just like the barbarities in the founding of the Greek, Roman, Persian, French, Belgium and other empires. But I'm tired and in need of a whisky.

Well, Tom, the thing is .. a spent a wee bit of time on the native american indian reservations in America and can say that a found out much that a didn't know before.

The reason a stated wa a did was because of the colonisation of the eastern part of America ... this was pre independance for them ... started in 1600's when the English had brought their people here and was forcing the indians out. They made the Indians, either convert to christianity (so they wouldn't be considered total hethens) or they died. In some of the texts that I've read ... states that period in time was one of the bloodiest times in America's history. America didn't sign the D of I till 4th July, 1776. The massacre of the Indians had started in the early 1600's.

I.E. ... the English that colonised Massachusetts forced the natives that lived there onto those islands that neighboured the states. They didn't have adequate clothing, food, no fuel and poor housing. They were starving, and these were the ones that had been converted to christianity. Eventually, they were allowed back on the mainland in 1667. Most of them that were converted, that were allowed to remain on the mainland, were forced into what they called, 'Praying Towns,' or 'Villages.' The Governor and Council of the Massachusetts Colony, in response to public demand, disbanded all Praying Indian companies, confined these Christian Indians to the Old Praying Indian towns, and restricted their travel to within one mile of the centre of those towns and only then when in the company of an Englishman. If a Native American broke these rules, he could be arrested or shot on sight. Most English were unwilling to reside in these towns because of the prejudice directed toward any Englishman supporting the Praying Indian cause.

Christian Indians were caught between two warring factions: the English and the hostile tribes fighting with King Philip. They pledged their loyalty to the English who refused to trust them and, at the same time, faced the enmity of their own people. Their loyalty was rewarded with such public hatred toward them that in August, 1675, the General Council in Boston began to consider removing the Praying Indians to Deer Island in Boston Harbor. Finally, in October, 1675, the order passed for removal; by December of that year, there were over 500 Christian Indians confined to the island.

Also ...

Each of the five wars that occurred on the Maine frontier between 1689 and 1760 resulted from a combination of English insistence on sovereignty over the Indians, disputes concerning subsistence or land, and indiscriminate mutual retaliation. Most of the frontier incidents that led to the first three wars occurred to the west of the Penobscots and Passamaquoddies, but these Indians were included in blanket declarations of war against all "Eastern Indians." The third conflict, Dummer's War (1722-27), resulted in a significant merging of Abenaki refugees into the Penobscot and Passamaquoddy villages and the subsequent extension of English settlements into the Penobscot area. Although plagued by factionalism, these Indians attempted to remain neutral in the last two wars, but mutual distrust, disputes over treaty commitments, and attacks by English scalp hunters in 1745 and 1755 ultimately dragged them into the conflicts.

Still yet another example ....

Samoset returned with 60 Native people including Massasoit and Tisquantum. Edward Winslow, a Pilgrim, went to present the the indians with gifts and to make a speech saying that King James wished to make an alliance with Massasoit. (This was not true.) Massasoit signed a treaty, which was heavily slanted in favour of the Pilgrims. The treaty said that no Native person would harm a European settler or, should they do so, they would be surrendered to them for punishment. Wampanoags visiting the settlements were to go unarmed; the Wampanoags and the non-Indians agreed to help one another in case of attack; and Massasoit agreed to notify all the neighboring nations about the treaty, which left the Wampanoags to believe that they would be unharmed, as they had argreed with the European settlers, but that wasn't the case.

Last example am stating ....

Ironically, the first official "Day of Thanksgiving" was proclaimed in 1637 by Massachusetts Governor John Winthrop. He did so to celebrate the safe return of English colony men from Mystic, Connecticut. They massacred 600 Pequots that had laid down their weapons and accepted Christianity. They were rewarded with a vicious and cowardly slaughter by their new "brothers in Christ." (an event that even Bloody Sunday pales in comparison to)

anno this prolley bores the lot of you ... but a was only trying to make a point here. Forgive me now if a can't continue with this though. Heart doesn't feel so good atm

Yer ponit's good.
F'ck all compared to whit the Spanishdid in South America though.
Not to excuse it.
Tell me wee Devil, God bless ye, why did the native peoples of Canada, New Zealand and Austrlia,not to ention India,. Ceylon- f;ck it , I could go on, not suffer the slaughter that occured in Yankie land. And wan o' ma fav books is
"Bury my heart at wounded Knee"

Mibbies Britain ain't the source of all evil.

Ah'll take nae p1sh frae Chrisophe on this wan

Tom ... a never said Britain was the 'source' of all evil. I was only tryin to point out that they were barbaric in warfare. Yankdum has had it's share of evils also, same as all other countries, but to say that the American's (which should be only used to refer to the native americans, but is used to refer to those of Euro decent) were the most brutal or were the ones that started the slaughter of the natives was completely inaccurate. That was a good book, by the way (RHCP). Afraid most of what know was from Uni (Anthropology/Archaeology ... specialisation in Cultural Anthropology also) as well as what I learned by living amongst them for a wee while. Of all the other people in the world, the one place I felt most comfortable, and most kinship (with people outside our own country) was with the Native Americans. There were so few that there was a mix of different ones within the same reservation dependin on which ones you went to. I learned from those that were Christian, but found those who weren't to be very rich in culture and loved learning 'their ways.' I could identify with them. I must admit, the waterworks did flow many many times. In case you wonder ... it was the Sioux tribes that I spent all the time with. I went to Uni in the states. For my discertation, I chose to do a 25 pg paper on the Sioux's contribution to the peace treaties. I had to spend time with them. I lived with them, even though was a very short time, I learned much from them.

I've been in many countries, and lived in a couple (other than home) and have to say that each has it's goodness and it's evils. Even thought I've lived in the states, B.C. Canada, Mexico, and England ... I've visited Scotland, Wales, Jersey, France, Spain, South America, and OZ. The only places I was welcomed with open arms was Canada, OZ, and the states. Maybe if some travelled a bit more they could see for themselves how the other countries are. I will NOT say that I know exactly how things are in all those different countries because I never lived at any for a very long time. Most were only months.. and you can't learn all there is to know about a country only having been there a few months. I can say though there's many fallacies to what people say about certain countries because I did see it first hand.

Maybe my problem is that I've seen so much. There's only one place that I encountered more hatred than any other ... care to guess? I DID NOT start out this way Tom, was only after things happened to me that turned me into what I am today. I seen many truths. If you had happen what I did, maybe you'd see things the way that I do. Bobby Sands even grew up thinking one way and was turned later in teenage years. Some of us didn't grow up hating and slaggin peeps ... it was something we did in retalliation for attrocities we either encountered ourselves, our families did, mates did, or people we know did. In my case, it was a wee bit of all of those reasons. You can defend them ... you can feel the way you want about them, and I'll respect your right to do so .... but when all is said and done, there's fuck all anyone can say that will EVER change my mind about the situation and how I feel about them. There's English people that I do talk to and I don't consider to be the same as. There's quite a few that feel the same as me. I have respect for my enemy also. You may not understand that statement, but most people who've been at war do understand having respect for an enemy.

Anyhoo .. mind is weary and heart is tired ... I need a break, so I'll see all yous tomorrow.

Hi- know what you mean, Dad McB, God rest his soul, fought the Germans in 1939-1945- Respected them, had no hatred.

It is interesting though than the yanks showed hideous barbarity to their conquered peoples in a way that the British Empire never did.

If Britain had applied American strategy

1. Ireland would have a current Irish population of about 300,000 real Irish, and 4,500,000 loyalists- problem solved for that bassa Paisley.

2. I wouldn't be here as my ancestors would have been slaughtered and would not have come to Britain as economic migrants.

Anyhoo wee devil- today was a lovely Good Friday for me, obeyed the fourth commandment- that's a damn important one, - take your rest, love your folks, and have a damned fine Easter- God bless us all.

ok was a short break, but I thought i needed to clarify something ...

I started out indifferent and having friends on both side of the fence. Then things happened and became hatred for all of those on the other side. I fought out of vengeance. The last few months I had been away from the forum and such. I needed to search myself for a way to forgive people, a way to let things go and put things in proper perspective because it was hurting someone that loved me more than life itself. He's one of me own peeps, but is tired of all the mess. He was having a difficult time with my hatred, and hatred blinded me to the actual 'cause.' I've finally learned to let go of some things ... I've finally decided I wasn't going to blame an entire nation for our problems. I also decided to forgive, which wasn't easy, but now that I have, my hearts been opened to so many things I never thought it was capable of. These are all good things. But there are a few 'individuals,' that I've not been able to forget, and the worse part is there's people that are no longer around to be forgiven. I needed it for peace within myself. I can't change the past, but work towards the future.

My views are very simple. I don't mind living with them ... I don't mind even becoming friends with them ... ffs .. if a had found the 'right' one I might have even fallen in love with one, but I want the ones that feel this is their country ... the ones that try to stop us from unification and keep themselves involved in our political situation to fuck off back to where they belong. I don't go to other countries saying they're mine, nor think they owe me, nor try to control their countries .... I go to visit, to live sometimes and enjoy life .. learn and such .. if that is what they want then I'd be more than happy to accomodate, but in truth ... is that what the majority of them want ... no. Those are the only ones I'm concerned about. Now that I've finally realised what I'm fighting for, mebbe I can better serve my country in fighting for that freedom, without prejudice or malice. It is a 'cause,' that I serve and not my own personal feelings about things that happened to me. I hope ye get me and hope others do also because I truly wish it could be resolved peacefully ... but it will never be peaceful.

They don't have the wee piccy for a person who's crying ... I'm not even going to respond ... but is good you've had a good ... erm ... Good Friday. Mine's been ... as you can see .. rather emotional. I do wish you .. and everyone else a very Happy Easter.

Ya are not da only1, i sincerelly hope every1 is having a nice easter, hopefully my1 will start getting better, cuz my Good Friday was absolute Piss, and my easter couldnt go neworse.

look at me sad, sad, its 02:10 and im still here messing around, worse of all, i havent been out 2nite...

hopefully 2maro nite will be better.

neway nice easter to all.

Tiocfaidh Ar La!!!!

As you well know, I'm in the states for a while ... won't be back in Belfast till Oct, but the wee widdle man back home phoned me and left the phone on so a could hear the parade .... was both good and bad ... a didn't get to speak to him much, but a got to listen to our songs being played When a heard Foggy Dew, a couldn't help think back to the post only a couple days ago ... wa is it bout this holiday that always makes me weep with a very heavy heart, and a tired mind ... a still try to have a good holiday ... anno a already said happy Easter to all .... but am going to say it again as a do wish that everyones Easter will be one filled with joy and much happiness

my easter is gettin better now!! lol

2day was gr8 and im still waitin for 2moro, hopefully itll all turn out to be a craker!!

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERY1

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How could we concede an injury time goal?????????

Come on Ireland, ya can do better than that!!!!!!!!!!

Wee Devil- The best music does that to us all. Foggy Dew is wonderfull, Stivell's version is a work of great beauty.
I feel the same way when I hear "Flowers o' the Forest"- a lament for flodden or "The band played Waltzing Matilda".

Anyhoo- a lovely Easter to you all, may God smile on ye.

Two great Commandments

Honour your father and your mother.

Love one another.

I have to agree! The band played waltzing matilda is a classic! One of a long list of my favourites

I've the song also and love it ... got many songs a love, however

Don't we all, songs generate emotions, but political solutions must go beyond emotions. Otherwise we'll be singing Derry' Walls and Sean South till the end of the world.

Though I'll be singing Flower of Scotland

Hello all, I hope you enjoyed the holiday. Mine was exquisite. Food and frolic, time spent in contemplation and with family.

I have to agree with Paddy "INJURY TIME!!!!" enjoyed the game, but the outcome was the only bleak spot on an otherwise wonderful celebration.

Looking forward to 4 jun and the re-match, may even watch the friendly against China, though the hour will be abyssmal.

As for Eric Bogle's classic, it brings tears to the eyes.

Spring has finally sprung here, it look like we will be above zero for a full week

yippeeee. (Still no hockey).

Hols were fair ... but hope all your hols were grand Fiance had a grand time, but he phoned me from the parade so a could hear the music. Least a was there in some sense .. a just can't wait for Oct. You'd think that someone's who's been all around the world kinda would enjoy travelling more, but as a get to be an oul lady .... body doesn'tmuch appreciate all the travel anymore. Shame am an oul lady at 32 years oul lol Take good care of yer body ... am findin out ye only get one of em ... don't abuse em Anyhoo .... am off to read the other posts and then to talk to me hubby to be See all yous soon