I'm from Scotland, just North of Glasgow and I can't describe how sick I feel seeing Scottish people turn more and more "Brittish". It might just be me but over the last few years the situation has seemed to snowball. Have any of you got any veiws on this? It would be good to hear an outside point of veiw.

bhoy amos, don't you know Frank McGuire? He is a great friend of mine, he is a bodhran player champion and he lives somewhere by Loch Lomond?

Afraid not, not even heard of him. Should I know him?

Hmmmm Near Dumgoyne? (I just love Glengoyne)

Frank played wihh Beggars Row, Lyra Celtica bands. And he starts to teach percussions in a University...

That narrows it down.

Here is Lyre Celtica pic. Frank is second left
http://www.boarhouse.ru/boarhouse/photo/232.jpg

You say little England but then refer to Britain. Britain is not little England. England is part of Britain.

Secondly what is being English. Ask an Indian, Pakistani, China-man or any of the people who live in England or any part of Britain today.

Are you English, Scottish....... They would mostly say British Asian etc.

Britain is multicultural. Go to any of the large cities. I.e. London, Edinburgh or Manchester.

Take for example Manchester or Liverpool. They are regarded as being Anglo-Irish cities. Both have a large Irish community and Irish traditions. But you would never hear from a Scouse, the city is too Irish or is leading that way.

Particularly London! I do not think that there is another city in the world that is so multicultural. I live in London where cultural diversity is so broad that saying London is English is no longer true. I am Irish. There is a huge Irish community in London, as there is Scottish, Australian Italian even French and German and many more. You would never hear an English man saying that London is to Multi-Cultural, quite the opposite actually.

Your case is true, if you live or go out into the small market towns. This is also the case for England, Scotland........ There the diversity of cultures are much narrower, the local issues are more apparent to town, county or region. Thus you can breakdown culture even further to regions and cities. Edinburgh is not the same as Stirling as London is to Chesterfield etc. Cornwall is not Yorkshire etc.

Nice believing in your own culture. Nothing wrong with that, but you can not say that your culture is part of or is being replaced by little England. It is much wider than that. Culture is part of evolution (History and Future). If our cultures stood still we would still be living caves or speaking a Romano/Breton form of dialect.

Cultures will continue to evolve as the world gets smaller. Most of Europe already has similarities due, to open borders, freedom of employment and commerce.

Some cultures will die and some will survive. It is how one goes about trying to protect them. The Celts, Romans, Saxons, Angles and Norman�s are all cultures of the past, however they have left their marks on the British Mainland, to become what is known today as part of a British Culture.

In your case you are Scottish, British and European. You may say you are not British. In that case if you have a passport, take a look it. It will say "British Passport". You are part and partial of a British Culture. I am even accepting that being Irish, my culture has been heavily influenced by British Culture. Being British or British Culture does not always mean that it is something bad.

Ask an English man if he feels sick about the Scottish families living in his home town or road etc. He would probably look at you in a rather confused manner.

Well LAN, you are actually a good example of my first post, this brittish acceptance. But as you say there is nothing wrong with a multi cultural country to an extent, if anything it is a good thing. Some of Scotlands top doctors are Pakistani's, some of the top engineering firms are Japanese, you can go out to a real Indian or Chinese restraunt. I am not a racist. I am not Brittish.
Can I ask you what is wrong with me,a lot of Scottish and Irish people in beleiving in having a country of our own?, why cant we have Scottish or likewise Irish passports? and why do we have to be ruled by an English goverment in the Themes who doesn't know or care of our cultures.

First of all I declare that I am not antiglobalist... But look around and you will see that this kind of shit happens all over the Europe. Gettin closer to some a standard, possibly of american type.

LAN', I don't think you recognise the difference between the dilution of a culture through natural means, and the dilution of a culture through brute force, agression and occupation.

England is more than just part of Britain, and well you know that LAN'. It's like saying Russia was just another part of the USSR. That's bollox. Bit like your opening statemeant. In case it hasn't dawned on you yet, all the states in Britain, other than England, were forced to join the "United" Kingdom at the point of a gun. By who LAN'? England.

And as for "If you have a passport, take a look it. It will say 'British Passport'. You are part and partial of a British Culture". Well LAN', good to see your wee trip hasn't changed you, cause that's one of the most stupid comments I've heard since the last time you posted here. Bhoy Amos didn't choose to have a British Passport. If he had it his way (and the way of many other Scottish people), he'd have a Scottish passport. I hope you don't find that hard to comprehend LAN'. It seems pretty clear to me.

Why should he have to accept that he is "British" just because his passport was issued by the English Home Office? He doesn't want to be labeled as "British". Why should he after all? He wants to live in a Scotland that recognises his culture, recognises him as "Scottish", not "British". A person shouldn't be denied that right. Britain went to war in 1914 in the interest (allegedly) of "self-determination" for people of minority cultures. Yet right on their doorstep they were denying this right to the Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

Bhoy Amos, you've every right to want a Scotland that is free from British influence. Not even that, you should expect it. Scotland has one of the richest cultures in the world, and it would be a shame to lose it under a tide of "Britishness" as you say.

Sl�n tamaill a chairde

By the way, does anybody else think it's strange that the day LAN' makes his triumphant return to these forums, is the same day when the record was set for the most users ever online in a single day?!

[Most users ever online was 32 on Dec 9 2003, 08:05 PM]

Can anybody say "Multiple Account Holder"?! (IMG:/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Beautifully illistrated

The "Users online" section now covers the entire site.

And LAN got two accounts; One banned and another one.

Sometimes it amazes me that people post on subjects they simply don't understand !

Being British means you are English, Welsh OR Scottish. Britain is the island of which Scotland is a constituent part whether you like it or not.

Wanting Scottish independence is another matter, and as both a Scot and a Brit you have every right to campaign for it.

However, it should be noted at this point that Irish republicans campaign for BRITS out, not English out. How many Brit soldiers had scottish or welsh accents ?
Loads !

Unionists stupidly cling to "britishness" and the UUP's slogan was "Simply British". Well my passport tells me I'm a "Citizen of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" so Mr. Trimble, constitutionally you ain't British.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Irish republican, I was born in London and I live in England. I'm simply pointing out matters of fact.

If you are a scottish nationalist then good luck to you, I can understand your viewpoint but please get your facts straight. Poor old Lan always gets slated when he makes a valid point. Perhaps if everone listened more instead of espousing the world would be a better place.

Personally I don't care whether Scotland is part of Britain. A 32 county Irish Republic is what I want !

Firstly, there's one point that really needs clearing up here. Everybody who actually lives here in Ireland knows that the term "Britain/British" and "England/English" are interchangeable. They are one and the same. One would not exist without the other. If Britain is an overgrown weed, then England is the seed that it was grown from.

And can we get away from deciding your nationality on what your passport says? My Dad is Scottish, with an Irish passport that says his Nationality is British. Yet he hates the English more than I do. So lets not keep using that as a measure of your nationality.



The point of this board is that people can express their views on any subject they choose, whether they "understand" the situation or not. If we were to only allow people post if they "understood" what was going on, yourself and LAN' wouldn't even get past the sign-up for this site. I hear the new version of this site has an "Automatic Bullshit Detector TM"...




Awwww. Poor old LAN'. In my opinion, LAN' always gets slated because he spews shite like a slurry spreader.

Anyway, everything I said in my original post to this topic still stands, so I'll say no more.

Sl�n a chairde