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On the other hand, the Loyalists never did anything, did they? And you Brits never imprisonned people without trial, never killed anyone in Gibraltar without justification, nor ... well let me think... killed Kids in Derry's streets?
And before you attempt to justify the Bloody Sunday killings, lanc, not a single victim was holding a gun or posing any threat to soldiers, or the public.
Terry Jones
Sunday February 17, 2002
The Observer
To prevent terrorism by dropping bombs on Iraq is such an obvious idea that I can't think why no one has thought of it before. It's so simple. If only the UK had done something similar in Northern Ireland, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.
The moment the IRA blew up the Horseguards' bandstand, the Government should have declared its own War on Terrorism. It should have immediately demanded that the Irish government hand over Gerry Adams. If they refused to do so - or quibbled about needing proof of his guilt - we could have told them that this was no time for prevarication and that they must hand over not only Adams but all IRA terrorists in the Republic. If they tried to stall by claiming that it was hard to tell who were IRA terrorists and who weren't, because they don't go around wearing identity badges, we would have been free to send in the bombers.
It is well known that the best way of picking out terrorists is to fly 30,000ft above the capital city of any state that harbours them and drop bombs - preferably cluster bombs. It is conceivable that the bombing of Dublin might have provoked some sort of protest, even if just from James Joyce fans, and there is at least some likelihood of increased anti-British sentiment in what remained of the city and thus a rise in the numbers of potential terrorists. But this, in itself, would have justified the tactic of bombing them in the first place. We would have nipped them in the bud, so to speak. I hope you follow the argument.
Having bombed Dublin and, perhaps, a few IRA training bogs in Tipperary, we could not have afforded to be complacent. We would have had to turn our attention to those states which had supported and funded the IRA terrorists through all these years. The main provider of funds was, of course, the USA, and this would have posed us with a bit of a problem. Where to bomb in America? It's a big place and it's by no means certain that a small country like the UK could afford enough bombs to do the whole job. It's going to cost the US billions to bomb Iraq and a lot of that is empty countryside. America, on the other hand, provides a bewildering number of targets.
Should we have bombed Washington, where the policies were formed? Or should we have concentrated on places where Irishmen are known to lurk, like New York, Boston and Philadelphia? We could have bombed any police station and fire station in most major urban centres, secure in the knowledge that we would be taking out significant numbers of IRA sympathisers. On St Patrick's Day, we could have bombed Fifth Avenue and scored a bull's-eye.
In those American cities we couldn't afford to bomb, we could have rounded up American citizens with Irish names, put bags over their heads and flown them in chains to Guernsey or Rockall, where we could have given them food packets marked 'My Kind of Meal' and exposed them to the elements with a clear conscience.
The same goes for Australia. There are thousands of people in Sydney and Melbourne alone who have actively supported Irish republicanism by sending money and good wishes back to people in the Republic, many of whom are known to be IRA members and sympathisers. A well-placed bomb or two Down Under could have taken out the ringleaders and left the world a safer place. Of course, it goes without saying that we would also have had to bomb various parts of London such as Camden Town, Lewisham and bits of Hammersmith and we should certainly have had to obliterate, if not the whole of Liverpool, at least the Scotland Road area.
And that would be it really, as far as exterminating the IRA and its supporters. Easy. The War on Terrorism provides a solution so uncomplicated, so straightforward and so gloriously simple that it baffles me why it has taken a man with the brains of George W. Bush to think of it.
So, sock it to Iraq, George. Let's make the world a safer place
Sunday February 17, 2002
The Observer
To prevent terrorism by dropping bombs on Iraq is such an obvious idea that I can't think why no one has thought of it before. It's so simple. If only the UK had done something similar in Northern Ireland, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.
The moment the IRA blew up the Horseguards' bandstand, the Government should have declared its own War on Terrorism. It should have immediately demanded that the Irish government hand over Gerry Adams. If they refused to do so - or quibbled about needing proof of his guilt - we could have told them that this was no time for prevarication and that they must hand over not only Adams but all IRA terrorists in the Republic. If they tried to stall by claiming that it was hard to tell who were IRA terrorists and who weren't, because they don't go around wearing identity badges, we would have been free to send in the bombers.
It is well known that the best way of picking out terrorists is to fly 30,000ft above the capital city of any state that harbours them and drop bombs - preferably cluster bombs. It is conceivable that the bombing of Dublin might have provoked some sort of protest, even if just from James Joyce fans, and there is at least some likelihood of increased anti-British sentiment in what remained of the city and thus a rise in the numbers of potential terrorists. But this, in itself, would have justified the tactic of bombing them in the first place. We would have nipped them in the bud, so to speak. I hope you follow the argument.
Having bombed Dublin and, perhaps, a few IRA training bogs in Tipperary, we could not have afforded to be complacent. We would have had to turn our attention to those states which had supported and funded the IRA terrorists through all these years. The main provider of funds was, of course, the USA, and this would have posed us with a bit of a problem. Where to bomb in America? It's a big place and it's by no means certain that a small country like the UK could afford enough bombs to do the whole job. It's going to cost the US billions to bomb Iraq and a lot of that is empty countryside. America, on the other hand, provides a bewildering number of targets.
Should we have bombed Washington, where the policies were formed? Or should we have concentrated on places where Irishmen are known to lurk, like New York, Boston and Philadelphia? We could have bombed any police station and fire station in most major urban centres, secure in the knowledge that we would be taking out significant numbers of IRA sympathisers. On St Patrick's Day, we could have bombed Fifth Avenue and scored a bull's-eye.
In those American cities we couldn't afford to bomb, we could have rounded up American citizens with Irish names, put bags over their heads and flown them in chains to Guernsey or Rockall, where we could have given them food packets marked 'My Kind of Meal' and exposed them to the elements with a clear conscience.
The same goes for Australia. There are thousands of people in Sydney and Melbourne alone who have actively supported Irish republicanism by sending money and good wishes back to people in the Republic, many of whom are known to be IRA members and sympathisers. A well-placed bomb or two Down Under could have taken out the ringleaders and left the world a safer place. Of course, it goes without saying that we would also have had to bomb various parts of London such as Camden Town, Lewisham and bits of Hammersmith and we should certainly have had to obliterate, if not the whole of Liverpool, at least the Scotland Road area.
And that would be it really, as far as exterminating the IRA and its supporters. Easy. The War on Terrorism provides a solution so uncomplicated, so straightforward and so gloriously simple that it baffles me why it has taken a man with the brains of George W. Bush to think of it.
So, sock it to Iraq, George. Let's make the world a safer place
| QUOTE (ChrisyBhoy @ Feb 1 2004, 04:49 PM) |
| And before you attempt to justify the Bloody Sunday killings, lanc, not a single victim was holding a gun or posing any threat to soldiers, or the public. |
Neither are those little babies who the IRA blow to smithereens with their bombs.
And who are you? An Irishman who loves his country so much that he supports a foreign football team, or a Scotsman who loves his country so much that his football team waves foreign flags?
Am I condoning the killing of civilians by the IRA? No.
Are you criticising the IRA for doing it but not criticising the BA for doing it? Yes.
And if you must know, I'm an Irishman who happens to support Celtic. Is there anything wrong with that? Celtic are an Irish-rooted club. As are Hibs.
And what football team I support has no bearing on my nationality or patriotism.
Are you criticising the IRA for doing it but not criticising the BA for doing it? Yes.
And if you must know, I'm an Irishman who happens to support Celtic. Is there anything wrong with that? Celtic are an Irish-rooted club. As are Hibs.
And what football team I support has no bearing on my nationality or patriotism.
| QUOTE (Charlotte @ Feb 1 2004, 04:38 PM) |
| And so? Because some people kill for it doesn't mean a cause is bad. Thou Brits killed many Germans in Normandy and hunged some nazis, didn't you? |
Oh yea. We killed Nazis alright. But that was a good thing, was it not? Yet again, you Irish supported the Germans in World War I so it wouldn't surprise me if you did the same thing in World War II. Killing Nazis and killing innocent men, women and children are two different things.
Witch Hunts?
There some innocent killings for you.
There some innocent killings for you.
| QUOTE (ChrisyBhoy @ Feb 1 2004, 05:14 PM) |
| Am I condoning the killing of civilians by the IRA? No. Are you criticising the IRA for doing it but not criticising the BA for doing it? Yes. And if you must know, I'm an Irishman who happens to support Celtic. Is there anything wrong with that? Celtic are an Irish-rooted club. As are Hibs. And what football team I support has no bearing on my nationality or patriotism. |
ChrissyBhoy- "I hate the British! But I still support their football teams because football teams in my country are crap. I'm nothing but a glory hunter."
| QUOTE (ChrisyBhoy @ Feb 1 2004, 05:18 PM) |
| Witch Hunts? There some innocent killings for you. |
Witch hunts? You mean those things that took place in the 1600's in England, Scotland, France, Germany and even Ireland?
| QUOTE (Charlotte @ Feb 1 2004, 04:41 PM) |
| On the other hand, the Loyalists never did anything, did they? And you Brits never imprisonned people without trial, never killed anyone in Gibraltar without justification, nor ... well let me think... killed Kids in Derry's streets? |
If you give me a few minutes, I can give you a list of all the nasty things the Irish have done around the world through the IRA. The IRA don't just bomb England, you know. They get about a bit. I can safely say that the amount of Brits that the IRA have killed is a lot more than the amount of people British soldiers killed on Bloody Sunday.
Gibraltareans, just like the Northern Irish, want to be British.
You do know that you can use one post instead of three, right?
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| ChrissyBhoy- "I hate the British! But I still support their football teams because football teams in my country are crap. I'm nothing but a glory hunter." |
Yet again, it's ChrisyBhoy. Lanc, we're all going to have a hard time discussing with you if you cant learn. Things will eventually elevate above the petty arguing that you've caused, and it will be intelligent discussion as it was before you returned.
Secondly. I have repeatedly said, I dont hate British people. I said I hate the monarchy. And I said I hate the British establishments presence in Ireland.
Football teams in Ireland are crap...but I support one. I'm not a glory hunter. I support Celtic. Celtic, as I've said before, were formed by an Irishman in means to help unite the Irish community in Glasgow, that were experiencing poverty. They were in Glasgow, by the way, because of the Potato Famine which was helped along by the British.
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| Witch hunts? You mean those things that took place in the 1600's in England, Scotland, France, Germany and even Ireland? |
Yet again your failing to back up your own arguements. When evidence is given against you, you try and deflect it back to Ireland or somewhere else.
Keep on digging Lanc.
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| If you give me a few minutes, I can give you a list of all the nasty things the Irish have done around the world through the IRA. The IRA don't just bomb England, you know. They get about a bit. I can safely say that the amount of Brits that the IRA have killed is a lot more than the amount of people British soldiers killed on Bloody Sunday. |
Ohhh wanna count the point? Sorry but just with your behavior during the Famine, you win.
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| Gibraltareans, just like the Northern Irish, want to be British. |
I said "in Gibaltar", doesn't mean that the Gibraltareans had anything to do with it. You just proved once again that you know nothing of what you talk about.
Allez, maintenant tu te casses, cr�tin de rosbif
| QUOTE (ChrisyBhoy @ Feb 1 2004, 05:26 PM) | ||||
You do know that you can use one post instead of three, right?
Yet again, it's ChrisyBhoy. Lanc, we're all going to have a hard time discussing with you if you cant learn. Things will eventually elevate above the petty arguing that you've caused, and it will be intelligent discussion as it was before you returned. Secondly. I have repeatedly said, I dont hate British people. I said I hate the monarchy. And I said I hate the British establishments presence in Ireland. Football teams in Ireland are crap...but I support one. I'm not a glory hunter. I support Celtic. Celtic, as I've said before, were formed by an Irishman in means to help unite the Irish community in Glasgow, that were experiencing poverty. They were in Glasgow, by the way, because of the Potato Famine which was helped along by the British.
Yet again your failing to back up your own arguements. When evidence is given against you, you try and deflect it back to Ireland or somewhere else. Keep on digging Lanc. |
You hate the monarchy? So what? Most people in England and the rest of the world hate the IRA. If I had to choose to get rid of a terrorist organisation or the monarchy, I would choose the terrorist organisation. I don't know what harm the monarchy is doing to you.
And the potato famine wasn't caused by the British. It was caused by a potato blight. There was a potato famine all over Europe. But there wasn't one in England, because England was the richest country in the world. The other place hit badly was Belgium. But they don't blame it on the English like you do.
The British never think about the Republic of Ireland. They've no need to. There's nothing interesting there. But we keep getting harrassed by Irish bombs. Ireland is nothing more than a little terrier snapping at Britain's heels. The UK is the world's second most powerful country. We could bomb your country into oblivion if we wanted to and turn it into a car park. We would make the IRA bombs look like mere firecrackers.
That's not even worth an answer. You obviously have no historical knowledge, nor simple common sense
And I suppose you lecture on history? It's you who's got no common sense. How ironic it would be if you went to London and an IRA bomb blew your arms off.
How ironic if you were walking in Belfast and some British soldier was shooting you
No it wouldn't, because the British soldiers don't just target innocent civilians at will.
What is that the last fashionable joke?
The last time your soldiers saw action was when they were fleeing in terror from the Germans.
It would be a very insulting statement for all the French soldiers who fought and died for their country, it would be if it came from someone more interesting than you. But you do mean nothing. Now stop playing, kid and go to bed or your mom will be very angry
It just as insulting for all the British soldiers who fought and died to liberate France from the Germans when you talk about Bloody Sunday. So stop being hypocritical.
I see absolutely no link between the murderers of the Bloody Sunday and the brave young men who fought in Normandy. Different time, different place, different people... Let me think...
I don't call it being brave when you run away as soon as you smell a whiff of sauerkraut coming from over the border.
Huh huh... and so ??
Well now, listen, kid.
I am tired, it's nearl 3 am here and I have much more important things to do than having a discussion with someone who is obviously not able to discuss and whom I do not not want to discuss with anyway. I only discuss with people who have something to say about the subject, and you don't, as far as I could see. Moreover, I think we got enough bad behavior from you to have you banned from the forum, but that is to Roidsear and Bjorn's decision only.
Good night kid.
Well now, listen, kid.
I am tired, it's nearl 3 am here and I have much more important things to do than having a discussion with someone who is obviously not able to discuss and whom I do not not want to discuss with anyway. I only discuss with people who have something to say about the subject, and you don't, as far as I could see. Moreover, I think we got enough bad behavior from you to have you banned from the forum, but that is to Roidsear and Bjorn's decision only.
Good night kid.
I wish I would have more time. Shit!
I just read those last posts.
I think it is a waste of time even talking to this Lancashire on the subject of unification.
He has no idea, is generalising, being outright racists and last but not least. I think he is a radical right wing idiot.
LANCASHIRE
Are you a member of the British National Party?
I agree with some points about NI that you have stated, primarily those about majority rule etc.. But only a small, small some. Most of what you have had to say is absolute rubbish.
You do need to go to Ireland to see for yourself. One word of warning. Do not go there with the intention of mouthing. Most English, particularly those with a big mouth are not welcome. (This goes for both sides of the NI community). If not, the likelihood that you will be returning to England in box is very high.
WORSE OF ALL:
Get off your High Chair about England or UK. The UK is not the second most powerful country in the world.
Economically (GDP) it lies behind Germany in fourth place. US, Japan, Germany, UK, France.
With respect to the "Standard of Living" (GDP / Population) it lies in spot 15, even behind that of the Republic. The republic lies now in spot 13.
Militarily the UK is still relatively strong for its size, but not as #2 in the world.
So get off your stool, be realistic and think constructively if you want to remain on this forum.
Must get back to work.
I think you will find that the UK is the second military power. France is the third. We also have the most influence is Washington DC. Britain is the second most powerful nation. We earn more from trade than any other nation in the world. we are the world's largest maritime exporting nation. Our Royal navy is the world's second-largest.
And what makes you think that just because I don't support a terrorist like you it must mean that I'm a member of the BNP? Sre you sayiing that anyone who doesn't support the IRA is a member of the BNP? And even if I was BNP, I would rather be a member of that than be a member of the IRA.
And what makes you think that just because I don't support a terrorist like you it must mean that I'm a member of the BNP? Sre you sayiing that anyone who doesn't support the IRA is a member of the BNP? And even if I was BNP, I would rather be a member of that than be a member of the IRA.
According to you, it is okay to be a member of the IRA, that kills people, because it wants the Brits out of Northern Ireland, even though Northern Ireland is a part of our country and not yours, but it is not okay for someone to be a member of the BNP, who doesn't kill people, who wants foreigners out of Britain. Hmmmmm.
I really didn't even want to waste my time reading this shite, but I had to see just what kind of guy this LANCASHIRE is.
This is just my opinion here but I belive that this person might in fact be an Irish Republican wanna be. Now before your attack me calling me stupid, have you ever thought that maybe this person posts at another republican forum but is too stupid or lazy to read about and learn a little history or facts! So what does this person do? Comes here and starts a fight because their small brain gets a laugh out off causing a fight. Then this person takes our educated and heart felt anger back to the other forum where they can been seen as a person of great wisdom.
Also I have to disagree that they might be a member of some loyalist or protestant etc.. or like minded group, because they would not give us the time of day. In their eyes we are not worth talking too.
Just my two cents!
SOI
This is just my opinion here but I belive that this person might in fact be an Irish Republican wanna be. Now before your attack me calling me stupid, have you ever thought that maybe this person posts at another republican forum but is too stupid or lazy to read about and learn a little history or facts! So what does this person do? Comes here and starts a fight because their small brain gets a laugh out off causing a fight. Then this person takes our educated and heart felt anger back to the other forum where they can been seen as a person of great wisdom.
Also I have to disagree that they might be a member of some loyalist or protestant etc.. or like minded group, because they would not give us the time of day. In their eyes we are not worth talking too.
Just my two cents!
SOI
I too am proud to support any group of Irishmen and women willing to fight against occupation, and no fascist propaganda from an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about is going to change my opinions.
I posted my address in a thread that got deleted, he's all mouth, he wouldn't dream of coming to Ireland. He at least has that much sense, it's a terrible thing to die outside own home country...
Sl�n fearr mh�r...
I posted my address in a thread that got deleted, he's all mouth, he wouldn't dream of coming to Ireland. He at least has that much sense, it's a terrible thing to die outside own home country...
Sl�n fearr mh�r...
Well I too support not just the IRA but any group of people Irish or not working to free Ireland. I will go on the record as saying that I for one am anti GFA,( shit provos will be shoot me in the ankles). So if this is how you like to spend your time great, cause Ill be out there talking to people who are educated enough to see through the lies and propaganda bullshit that BBC and CNN call news.
Come and check out any of the websites me or my friends have made and you will see no lies, the truth and yes it hurts even for us cause it's our dead that have been betrayed by their own government.
Ian Paisley is a senile old man, he couldn't fix a Mike Tyson fight, so how and the hell can he lead anyone! oh yeah wait let me check some facts.......
Well after reading this I can see why the Provo's have gave up ....It's cause you guys are killing yourselfs
06 January 2001 George Legge (37) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Association (UDA), Killed by: Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
Found beaten and stabbed to death, off Clontonacally Road, near Carryduff, County Down. Internal Ulster Defence Association (UDA) dispute.
14 March 2001 Adrian Porter (34) Protestant
Status: Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF), Killed by: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
Died several hours after being shot at his home, Breezemount Park, Conlig, near Bangor, County Down. Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) / Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) feud.
02 April 2001 Trevor Lowry (49) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
Died two days after being badly beaten, Harmin Parade, Glengormley, near Belfast, County Antrim. Assumed to have been a Catholic.
11 April 2001 Grahame Marks (37) Protestant
Status: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), Killed by: Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
Shot at his home, Tullyhue Park, Tandragee, County Armagh. Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) / Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) feud.
Come and check out any of the websites me or my friends have made and you will see no lies, the truth and yes it hurts even for us cause it's our dead that have been betrayed by their own government.
Ian Paisley is a senile old man, he couldn't fix a Mike Tyson fight, so how and the hell can he lead anyone! oh yeah wait let me check some facts.......
Well after reading this I can see why the Provo's have gave up ....It's cause you guys are killing yourselfs
06 January 2001 George Legge (37) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Association (UDA), Killed by: Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
Found beaten and stabbed to death, off Clontonacally Road, near Carryduff, County Down. Internal Ulster Defence Association (UDA) dispute.
14 March 2001 Adrian Porter (34) Protestant
Status: Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF), Killed by: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
Died several hours after being shot at his home, Breezemount Park, Conlig, near Bangor, County Down. Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) / Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) feud.
02 April 2001 Trevor Lowry (49) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
Died two days after being badly beaten, Harmin Parade, Glengormley, near Belfast, County Antrim. Assumed to have been a Catholic.
11 April 2001 Grahame Marks (37) Protestant
Status: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), Killed by: Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
Shot at his home, Tullyhue Park, Tandragee, County Armagh. Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) / Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) feud.
Didn't forget just decided to leave those out, but yes and it still goes on today.
@Noel and whom it may concern
Sorry that i answer your question's so late, but i'm little bit busy with my Job
I visited the Green Isle several times, all over the whole country, from the the south to the north and west to east. One day, when i retire, i think about to move to Ireland. It is a fantastic country with great people.
Before i went the first time to the north, i get a lot of informations by TV, Newspaper and books and also in school and they allways talked about terrorist's, religious war etc.......
But this i don't find there, no real terrorist's, no religious war, but a lot of friendly people on the irish side and also on the British side, with the hope of freedom and peace, but there was also hate, more at the british then the irish side.
From 1984 up to 1991 i was a member of a special German Task Force for Humanitary Help (Rapid Deployment Unit Search and Rescue). Depending to this i have made a lot of experiences with military checkpoints, police or militia's in Armenia, USSR, Lybia, Tschad, Romania, Israel etc....., but i was never treated so patronize, disrespect and brutal as by the RUC when we visited Belfast !
They told us, that Germans which visit Belfast always supporters of "the bloody fucking criminals of the IRA, which kill's innocent women and children".
This happened in 1986, until this time it wasn't my only experience with the RUC in this way.
I believe, that there is only one way back to freedom an peace in NI :
Give NI back to the Irish, under control of the UN and not the BA !
And Sinn Fein and the IRA are a part of Ireland !
But the Irish also have to accept, that iin the meantime a lot of people live in NI, that have roots in England.
That doesn't mean, this provocative marches of the orange orders is acceptable, but to keep peace, tolerance is not easy but necessary.
I've no nostrum for the irish problem and if you think i'm wrong with my opinion feel free to answer :-)
@Lancashire
To ignore and deny flatly the History and Presence doesn't change it into the truth !
And to echo the propaganda of your Goverment is not a sign of Intelligence.
Eireann go braugh
Sorry that i answer your question's so late, but i'm little bit busy with my Job
I visited the Green Isle several times, all over the whole country, from the the south to the north and west to east. One day, when i retire, i think about to move to Ireland. It is a fantastic country with great people.
Before i went the first time to the north, i get a lot of informations by TV, Newspaper and books and also in school and they allways talked about terrorist's, religious war etc.......
But this i don't find there, no real terrorist's, no religious war, but a lot of friendly people on the irish side and also on the British side, with the hope of freedom and peace, but there was also hate, more at the british then the irish side.
From 1984 up to 1991 i was a member of a special German Task Force for Humanitary Help (Rapid Deployment Unit Search and Rescue). Depending to this i have made a lot of experiences with military checkpoints, police or militia's in Armenia, USSR, Lybia, Tschad, Romania, Israel etc....., but i was never treated so patronize, disrespect and brutal as by the RUC when we visited Belfast !
They told us, that Germans which visit Belfast always supporters of "the bloody fucking criminals of the IRA, which kill's innocent women and children".
This happened in 1986, until this time it wasn't my only experience with the RUC in this way.
I believe, that there is only one way back to freedom an peace in NI :
Give NI back to the Irish, under control of the UN and not the BA !
And Sinn Fein and the IRA are a part of Ireland !
But the Irish also have to accept, that iin the meantime a lot of people live in NI, that have roots in England.
That doesn't mean, this provocative marches of the orange orders is acceptable, but to keep peace, tolerance is not easy but necessary.
I've no nostrum for the irish problem and if you think i'm wrong with my opinion feel free to answer :-)
@Lancashire
To ignore and deny flatly the History and Presence doesn't change it into the truth !
And to echo the propaganda of your Goverment is not a sign of Intelligence.
Eireann go braugh
DreamWeaver, I'll agree with you, but that:
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| @Lancashire To ignore and deny flatly the History and Presence doesn't change it into the truth ! And to echo the propaganda of your Goverment is not a sign of Intelligence. |
is absolutly hopeless...
Well I'f I'm a odd Euro-moron in your eyes, than I am truly proud of it... I agree with my government -for once- on what they had to say on the Iraq issue.
Eendracht maakt macht! - L'Union fait la force!
I regret to say this but your the dummest person I ever encountered on this site...
Eendracht maakt macht! - L'Union fait la force!
I regret to say this but your the dummest person I ever encountered on this site...
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| There are parts of France that used to be in Germany. But you don't get the Germans demanding it back. |
And Belgium, and if you have a little knowledge in history, you'll find Nazi-Germany took these parts back by war... Bad comparation, but if the Provos get Ireland united by war, no problem to me... By the way: it's useless to compare the situation of Ireland is unique in its case...
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| Northern Ireland belongs to the UK.It IS run by the UN, because the UK is a member of the UN. It is one of only 5 permenent members of the UN Security Council. Unlike the Irish, the British believe in freedom of speech, that's why Northern Ireland remains a part of the UK, because that is what its people want. |
Run by the U.N.?! 
You forget to mention US and UK started a war without agreement of UN and out of the UN, they're using the UN as long as it serves them well, America and Britain are led by egocentrist governments...
You forget to mention US and UK started a war without agreement of UN and out of the UN, they're using the UN as long as it serves them well, America and Britain are led by egocentrist governments...
Heather, I think you have definately found a home here.
Yes welcome to you.
I look forward to reading some of your work.
I look forward to reading some of your work.
Cead mile failte
a hundred thousands welcome
a hundred thousands welcome
Ok I'll check it out.
I'll be in Belfast in August for F�ile an Phobail.
I'll be in Belfast in August for F�ile an Phobail.
The relevant authorities have been duly notified Chucky...
Yeah welcome to the site WeeIrishDevil, b�s n� an bua.
Yeah welcome to the site WeeIrishDevil, b�s n� an bua.
Didn't think a man of such an ancient age and with such an abysmal taste in shirts could pull so easily on a message board of all places. There's hope for us all!
Good tae meet ye IrishDevil.
Going back to Ireland.
See you next week.
See you next week.
Oh I know, age doesn't matter, but Chucky is actually older than he looks, you see he bathes in the blood of Huns to keep his youthful good looks... The man's been around since the Wexford Rising...
And I'm not far away, I'm in Dublin. Which is nearer than London last time I checked, although others would like to think otherwise...
And I'm not far away, I'm in Dublin. Which is nearer than London last time I checked, although others would like to think otherwise...
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