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Observer
Go on home British soldiers, go on home.
Have you got no fuckin' homes of your own ?
For eight hundred years we've fought you without fear
And we will fight you for eight hundred more.

If you stay British soldiers, if you stay
You will never ever beat the IRA
The fourteen men in Derry are the last that you will bury
So take a tip and leave us while you may.

No, we're not British, we're not Saxon, we're not English
We're Irish! and proud we are to be.
So fuck your union jack we want our country back
We want to see old Ireland free once more.

Well we're fighting British soldiers for the cause
We'll never bow to soldiers because
Throughout our history we were born to be free
So get out British soldiers, leave us be.



HAIL HAIL

CELTIC 2 RANGERS 1

CHAMPIONEES CHAMPIONEES OWAY OWAY OWAY
Tom McB
So why are you posting about the triumph of a British Team in a British League?
Charlotte
Because it is an Irish team, you said it yourself, Tom : they don't consider themselves British and that's what you so much hate about them.
PaddyP88
you should have more information before posting hen!!

stablished in 1888 by an Irish Priest, Father Walfrid (Christian Name Andrew Kerrins).

Every irishman/women (Hate that i have to write it like this now, but equal rights you know!! laugh.gif ) should know that around this time, there was a massive potato famine that made millions and millions of Irishmen/women emigrate to other countries such as America, and the United Kingdome, some of them even died and didn't make it!!

Now the imigrants that moved, had a very rough time and most of them continued to die as life elswhere as an outsider was difficult.

In view of this, Father Walfrid (Irish) stablished a charitable organisation (Celtic FC) to raise funds for the poor immigrants (Irish).

The name chosen 'Celtic' (real pronunciation 'Keltic') the badge, a Irish-lucky four-leaved clover, the colours green and white, and their flag (Irish tricolour) where chosen because of the Irish roots, cause, reason... etc. of the club.

Same has to be said for 'Hibbernian' (Latin for Ireland), Irish harp, and green and white.

Ever since Celtic was founded, they where hated by the Anti-Irish and Anti-Catholic scottish stablishment, and where never welcomed as a scottish team.

Now having in mind, their roots, their reasons and their makers, wether you want to take it or not Glasgow Celtic and Edingbourgh Hibbernians are Irish Teams stablished outside.

Surelly we never closed doors to non-Irish born Republicans, why can we not do the same with a football club.

Yeah Go on home British Soldiers.
Celtic are an Irish Team.

Hail!! Hail!!!
Tiocfaidh Ar La!!!!

Here to help!! biggrin.gif
Tom McB
QUOTE(PaddyP88 @ Apr 24 2005, 08:33 PM)
you should have more information before posting hen!!

Yeah Go on home British Soldiers.
Celtic are an Irish Team.

Hail!! Hail!!!
Tiocfaidh Ar La!!!!

Here to help!!  biggrin.gif
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Surely then Celtic, as an Irish team, should
"Go on home" rolleyes.gif

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Because it is an Irish team, you said it yourself, Tom : they don't consider themselves British and that's what you so much hate about them.


Nope, I dislike Celtic, I despise Rangers, and they consider themselves very British.
PaddyP88
QUOTE(Tom McB @ Apr 25 2005, 06:37 PM)
Surely then Celtic, as an Irish team, should
"Go on home" rolleyes.gif


now lets not make stupid mistakes, you cannot compare a great football team who was stablished to help people, with an army who came and invaded a country, oppressing its population. wink.gif

Celtic are here to stay!!!
Tiocfaidh Ar La -- British go Home!!!

laugh.gif
Charlotte
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Nope, I dislike Celtic, I despise Rangers, and they consider themselves very British.

Ok, if you want. But does it make any difference in my previous statement?
Tom McB
QUOTE(PaddyP88 @ Apr 25 2005, 02:34 PM)
QUOTE(Tom McB @ Apr 25 2005, 06:37 PM)
Surely then Celtic, as an Irish team, should
"Go on home" rolleyes.gif


now lets not make stupid mistakes, you cannot compare a great football team who was stablished to help people, with an army who came and invaded a country, oppressing its population. wink.gif

Celtic are here to stay!!!
Tiocfaidh Ar La -- British go Home!!!

laugh.gif
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Erm- yes I can- Walfrid established Celtic to stop the Catholics of Glasgow recieving aid from other charities- he wanted them to be beholden to the Catholic church- the team was there to keep the people in thrall to the church- Ratzinger would have approved ohmy.gif
Tom McB
QUOTE(Charlotte @ Apr 25 2005, 03:05 PM)
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Nope, I dislike Celtic, I despise Rangers, and they consider themselves very British.

Ok, if you want. But does it make any difference in my previous statement?
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They do not consider themselves British- I assume that's the statement you meant?
Actually a large number of the team would- Hartson, Bellamy, Thomson Sutton etc would.
McGeady would not- but he didn't get a game laugh.gif
Charlotte
No actually I meant the fact that you said they don't. But if you like to contradict yourself I have no objection. And by the way, a few players don't make the team. It's not because so many players in England are French that it makes their team French : their nationality lies in the heart of the supporters, not in the nationality of the player specially when you know that some English team(s) do not have a single English player. huh.gif
Tom McB
QUOTE(Charlotte @ Apr 26 2005, 12:16 AM)
No actually I meant the fact that you said they don't. But if you like to contradict yourself I have no objection. And by the way, a few players don't make the team. It's not because so many players in England are French that it makes their team French : their nationality lies in the heart of the supporters, not in the nationality of the player specially when you know that some English team(s) do not have a single English player.  huh.gif
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Not sure about this one- I can't think of an English premiership team that fits that description. Could you enlighten me please.
Contradict meself- don't think so- still if I dod I will quote Emerson:
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

Or perhaps I should go for the Whitman defence
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Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

Perhaps the mainh cause of my dislike of Celtic is not the majority of their fans, rather the neddish minority who, as I'm sure paddy would agree are vermin to whom the Irish cause is jist a bluidy good excuse for violence.
PaddyP88
QUOTE(Tom McB @ Apr 26 2005, 02:04 PM)
QUOTE(Charlotte @ Apr 26 2005, 12:16 AM)
No actually I meant the fact that you said they don't. But if you like to contradict yourself I have no objection. And by the way, a few players don't make the team. It's not because so many players in England are French that it makes their team French : their nationality lies in the heart of the supporters, not in the nationality of the player specially when you know that some English team(s) do not have a single English player.� huh.gif
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Not sure about this one- I can't think of an English premiership team that fits that description. Could you enlighten me please.
Contradict meself- don't think so- still if I dod I will quote Emerson:
QUOTE
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

Or perhaps I should go for the Whitman defence
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Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

Perhaps the mainh cause of my dislike of Celtic is not the majority of their fans, rather the neddish minority who, as I'm sure paddy would agree are vermin to whom the Irish cause is jist a bluidy good excuse for violence.
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like hoods, neds, chavs (Whatever you want to call them) that dont even know who bobo balde is?? Yeah agree, there are a lot of people that wear the celtic hoops and never been to parkhead and dont give a shit about the team. they simply shouldn't even be called supporters , (Unless you are a chick, I understand football and birds dont go, and the hoops look good on yous wink.gif )

Anyway, I would like to make another point!!

Why are millions, (even thought there is not that much people in ireland laugh.gif ) of Irish peple supporting teams like Man Utd and Arsenal, (chelsea now).

Do you hate them too??

Football is about what is in your heart and not about location. So who cares if Celtic where to be a brittish team, I still love them wub.gif !!

God help me, in the case of location, my team would have to be cliftonville laugh.gif laugh.gif
PaddyP88
QUOTE(Tom McB @ Apr 26 2005, 02:04 PM)
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Perhaps the mainh cause of my dislike of Celtic is not the majority of their fans, rather the neddish minority who, as I'm sure paddy would agree are vermin to whom the Irish cause is jist a bluidy good excuse for violence.
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Should we, the faithfull and real celtic supporters, be punished for the actions of a couple of wankers??

mad.gif
Tom McB
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Why are millions, (even thought there is not that much people in ireland� ) of Irish peple supporting teams like Man Utd and Arsenal, (chelsea now).

Do you hate them too??


I pity them- glory hunters sad.gif Football for me is all about community- the team I support was the team in the town of my birth. Irish Scottish etc fans supporting Man- Ure wacko.gif

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Should we, the faithfull and real celtic supporters, be punished for the actions of a couple of wankers??

Plainly not- the chaps at work wie Celtic season tickets are decent fellas. Though I do think that Celtic and Rangers are cursed wie a larger than expected percentage of Neds in thir support.
PaddyP88
QUOTE(Tom McB @ Apr 26 2005, 07:03 PM)
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Why are millions, (even thought there is not that much people in ireland� ) of Irish peple supporting teams like Man Utd and Arsenal, (chelsea now).

Do you hate them too??


I pity them- glory hunters sad.gif Football for me is all about community- the team I support was the team in the town of my birth. Irish Scottish etc fans supporting Man- Ure wacko.gif

QUOTE
Should we, the faithfull and real celtic supporters, be punished for the actions of a couple of wankers??

Plainly not- the chaps at work wie Celtic season tickets are decent fellas. Though I do think that Celtic and Rangers are cursed wie a larger than expected percentage of Neds in thir support.
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thats enough with me, for me sport is not what you are 'Supposed' to support, but what you want and believe in, and wat makes your heart go, and whatever you love. wub.gif

As long as you aknodlege that most of, or a great number of supporters in my team are ok, that is good with me.

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FIFA Officially the best in World Football.

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and this one, a personal trophy that we the supporters (not the club) won.



we might not support real madrid or barcelona, but like us, ther is no sipporters in the world.

FACT: Did you know that we (Celtic Supporters) where the first ever non-football club or player to win this trophy??
Tom McB
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As long as you aknodlege that most of, or a great number of supporters in my team are ok, that is good with me.


Plainly, though I also believe that the majority of huns are decent fellas.

Migod- even the Majority of St Mirren fans are ok- and for a Morton fan to say that ohmy.gif
Tom McB
QUOTE(Observer @ Apr 24 2005, 09:14 AM)
HAIL HAIL

CELTIC 2 RANGERS 1

CHAMPIONEES CHAMPIONEES OWAY OWAY OWAY
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Now what's the old saw about counting chickens?

For those in foreign fields, weekend football results.

Celtic 1 Hibs 3

Aberdeen 1 Rangers 3

Celtic 2 points ahead with three games to play.
Avtomat
But if the British soldiers never answered the catholic people begging them in NI, The UVF wouldve burnt them out, as they were doin, actually the British soldiers saved the catholics in the 60's, and then the catholics turned on them. Not much of a song to sing when their the ones who stopped the UVF from endin the troubles when it started. I wonder how many people in these forums have even grew up in the troubles, ive seen canadians, belgians, russians posting as if they know what it was like. Ive seen very few actually from NI. I grew up in belfast on a flashpoint area and have nearly been killed a few of times, so dont anyone even try to comment on where im from or how i dont know what its like.
PaddyP88
QUOTE(Avtomat @ May 3 2005, 12:54 AM)
But if the British soldiers never answered the catholic people begging them in NI, The UVF wouldve burnt them out, as they were doin, actually the British soldiers saved the catholics in the 60's, and then the catholics turned on them. Not much of a song to sing when their the ones who stopped the UVF from endin the troubles when it started.  I wonder how many people in these forums have even grew up in the troubles, ive seen canadians, belgians, russians posting as if they know what it was like. Ive seen very few actually from NI. I grew up in belfast on a flashpoint area and have nearly been killed a few of times, so dont anyone even try to comment on where im from or how i dont know what its like.
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Fair points!!

I'm from belfast wink.gif and even though I'm a wee bit young, I understand the troubles perfectly.

It is correct that the brittish soldiers where sent during the 60's to help and protect Catholics, (Why did this have to happen, why was there not a local police force to help its own population?? Where was the RUC??) yet that is far from reality, it was the brits that turn on catholics and used them, also helping the RUC and UVF!!

Plus if we think of it like that, we can call the ones that came in the first place 800 years ago "British Soldiers" , can't wee.

by saying "Brits Out" or "Go on Home british soldiers" we are actually demanding the army and goverment to leave us alone, and let us have our nation once again!

And its got to happen!!

Tiocfaidh Ar La
MacIonmhuinn
Just a few wee thoughts on the whole Celtic FC subject and clarification of a few facts.

Celtic is not "An Irish Team" Hibernian is. Glasgow Celtic, is called Glasgow Celtic and not Glasgow Irish because the Catholics who were supported by the club were not exclusivley Irish. My own family were catholics from Skye who were treated with the same prejudice as their Gaelic cousins, and lived in the same community in the east end of the town. Mass migration of Highlanders to the lowlands for work was second only in numbers to the influx of Irish, and they lived as one community.

This is the reason why you get the odd kilted Celtic fan on tour, the wee soltire in the corner of Celtic Park....It's just more fashionable and more antagonistic to wave the tri-colour (Flag of peace between the Green and the orange!).

Scotland may be a country which would like to forget it's proud gaelic roots, but the Irish in Scotland are just as happy to glaze over the facts with half-truths.

Grow up and stop aiding the British cause by voting labour!

SAOR ALBA a-NIS!!!!
PaddyP88
QUOTE(MacIonmhuinn @ May 4 2005, 09:14 PM)
Just a few wee thoughts on the whole Celtic FC subject and clarification of a few facts.

Celtic is not "An Irish Team" Hibernian is. Glasgow Celtic, is called Glasgow Celtic and not Glasgow Irish because the Catholics who were supported by the club were not exclusivley Irish. My own family were catholics from Skye who were treated with the same prejudice as their Gaelic cousins, and lived in the same community in the east end of the town. Mass migration of Highlanders to the lowlands for work was second only in numbers to the influx of Irish, and they lived as one community.

This is the reason why you get the odd kilted Celtic fan on tour, the wee soltire in the corner of Celtic Park....It's just more fashionable and more antagonistic to wave the tri-colour (Flag of peace between the Green and the orange!).

Scotland may be a country which would like to forget it's proud gaelic roots, but the Irish in Scotland are just as happy to glaze over the facts with half-truths.

Grow up and stop aiding the British cause by voting labour!

SAOR ALBA a-NIS!!!!
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QUOTE
Grow up and stop aiding the British cause by voting labour!
laugh.gif laugh.gif

And Celtic are an Irish team founded by Irishmen just as Hibbernian are. tongue.gif
MacIonmhuinn
Lol, nugget.

'Mon the Hoops anyway. tongue.gif
PaddyP88
QUOTE(MacIonmhuinn @ May 4 2005, 09:14 PM)
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This is the reason why you get the odd kilted Celtic fan on tour, the wee soltire in the corner of Celtic Park....It's just more fashionable and more antagonistic to wave the tri-colour (Flag of peace between the Green and the orange!).
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I was just reading throught your post and I am sorry to be late on this reply, but it has to be done.

Does it anoy you to see the soltire at Celtic Park?? or you think of it good.

Because I am confused, first we have the "Plastic Paddy"* issue, and supporters of all clubs round scotland complaining about McGueady playing for Ireland, claiming that wether they like it or not Celtic Supporters are not Irish, but Scottish.

Nothing is said about some Scotsmen that play for Norther Ireland wink.gif

On the other hand and sometimes, we get people complaining about the saltire at Celtic Park, by saying that we are not Scottish.

(I say we, because I include myself as a Celtic Supporter, however I am an Irishman from Belfast)

Anything related to Celtic no matter what it is, will always be wrong at the eyes of Scottish and Ulster Protestants, we will always be critizised and insulted.

Nothing personal with you, just stating a pattern that i am able to see.

QUOTE(MacIonmhuinn @ May 4 2005, 09:14 PM)
because the Catholics who were supported by the club were not exclusivley Irish.


some of them wheren't even catholics, and history shows that Celtic FC (as with republicanism) unlike Rangers, welcomed and employed people from all religions.

Celtic FC welcome everyone, which in my opinion is a good.

Funnily enough i have heard rangers supporters saying that no catholics at their club was a coincidence, and i have been asked why was there no muslims at celtic park.

pathetic, wat is the ratio in scotland of protestants:catholics:muslims??

i can also remember a protestant famous celtic hero, that had been rejected from ibrox because of his name, it sounded catholic. tongue.gif

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*Plastic Paddy = Term by which some rangers fans call Scottish Born Celtic Supporters for being Irish wannabes.
Tom McB
QUOTE(PaddyP88 @ May 18 2005, 03:47 AM)
*Plastic Paddy = Term by which some rangers fans call Scottish Born Celtic Supporters for being Irish wannabes.
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Not quite- Scottish catholics of Irish descent, like myself and my good lady would use it to describe those who are born and bred Scots but who consider themselves Irish.
Like McGeady ph34r.gif

Any hoo- best of luck tomorrow paddy. tongue.gif
MacIonmhuinn
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Does it anoy you to see the soltire at Celtic Park?? or you think of it good.


I think it's good. It represents the Gaels from the Gaidhealtachd as opposed to the ones from the Gaeltacht.....I actually quite like the Green Soltire because it represents both. smile.gif
Tom McB
QUOTE(Observer @ Apr 24 2005, 09:14 AM)
HAIL HAIL

CELTIC 2 RANGERS 1

CHAMPIONEES CHAMPIONEES OWAY OWAY OWAY
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Today's scores

Motherwell 2 Celtic 1

Hibernian 0 Rangers 1

Rangers champions

I did warn you about counting chickens rolleyes.gif
Noel
It was retorts like that, that caused the trouble on sunday
Tom McB
Whit- counting chickens?
Nope- bantering comments don't cause trouble- scum on each side masquerading as football fans do.
And they do it from Turkey to the Netherlands, From Scotland to Spain.

The interesting thing for me is the well adjusted attitude of the Celtic fans at work.

A die-hard said to me that the illness of Martin O'Neil's wife put the whole thing into persepctive for him. The result didn't matter.
Utterly correct, it's a feckin' game.
PaddyP88
Im not going to talk about football on this forum, not the place, if anyone wants a chat he is welcomed, we have only got ourselves to blame, for giving it away as a present.

sad.gif Havent cryed so much (Literally tears driping from my eyes) sinze seville, the thing is I can take defeat, however rangers didn't win it, we didn't let it slip, we just tossed it away. Im actually depressed, but what can you do.

I feel sorry for Mrs. O'Neill and wish best of luck.

I am glad you like to see the saltire at Celtic Park, I am glad it is there and I am glad of some of the the connections between Ireland and some Scottsmen.
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