[Aut disce aut discede]Greetings from Turkey

Finally, It's a great pleasure to have found out a website wherein the people of freedom gather.I have been looking for it for ages.

As a human being inhabited in a 3'rd world country for all my life, I have the honor to embrace the cause of irish people bywhich it can be seen through our the history of our lineage as well as at present.

From what I have learned under the days of recent war-pressure on iraq, c the imperial power affects governal decisions; it only brought in hypocritism,inhumane goals, garbage values in favor of the estrangement for WASP (Global policies based on Anglo-Saxonism) and took prosperity and peace away from our lands. On our side, we do have the hope for unification to struggle against the unjustifiable war on terror garble.

Hence, it's abundantly clear that a military response is necessary to drive them away, from all parts of the world.

Theirs is a system that has to be crashed; Years passed by us,unfortunately, have changed nothing but it's still us who need to hold our heads high on our way as martrys did in a foggy dew.

Anyone republican or not should contribute as much as he can, as an irish leader put forward. Bloodsuckers are go to hell, soon or late. Who cares reckoning the date? They are powerful but that's non sense as long as hearts beat non stop for freedom!


it's our time to act and that's it. Thanks for listening. [email protected]

Well said a chara. Make sure you post here again, be interested in hearing what you have to say.

Sl�n

Hello...

It's not meant provocative but: What do you think of the way Turkey deals with the Kurdish 'problem'?

Good question Christophe.

The Kurds have had it tough. Their homeland straddles Turkey, Iraq and, I think, Iran. The PKK has fought a guerilla war for years for a free Kurdistan and as a result kurds have been persecuted. Especially by Saddam who murdered many of them with chemical weapons.

Turkey aren't so cruel but still they restrict the use of their language amongst other breaches of human rights which will keep them out of the E.C. for the forseeable future.

Personally I see the Kurds the same as I see the Palestinians, Basques, Catalans et al. All nations without a homeland.

What do others think ?

ps. To balance things a bit ... A Turkish friend of mine told me that during the Irish Famine during the 1840's the only ones who gave any aid/support (whilst the English refused to allow corn to be given to the starving Irish) was the Ottoman Empire. We thank you for that a chairde.

Kurdistan
Massacre from the BBC

I agree indeed, although Catalans? Pushed a bit far in my opinion... I've already been in Catalunya, so... No problem about more autonomy, too right... The Catalan nationalist party was even the biggest winner in the last elections...

[Aut disce aut discede]

First of all, let me put it this way,
I have written this post only as a response for Chucky-wise ones.So please none of you take it personal.I acknowledge that there has been no such an internal turkish kurdish battle taking place in Turkey recently or ever.It�s true that PKK (Kurdistan�s Workers Party) has been fighting a guerilla war including suicide bombing attacks against innocent civillians from both kurds and turks in various urbans of Turkey; though precedingly for the purpose of an independent socialist administrationship at the eastern south.Therefore this kind of movement doesn�t address the entire demands of the whole kurdish community those who are 25 million dwelling in Turkey. Hence,statistically speaking, this range doesn�t even indicate %1 percentage over all.Even if we consider this sort of reaction as a national rebel, why even the leader, namely Abdullah �calan, is ethnically armenian or else half arab?

To expose the war on Pkk with a resemblance to a struggle of any free state is not persuasive, but rather seems a misunderstanding on account of disinformation about the region. Also, with respect to documental research on this case, there was no tribal governship of kurds recognized at any time of history, not even by Irishmen.Consequently, it�s way too much incomprehendable.

As to the language restriction; The official language of Turkey is Turkish merely because it�s a national constitiution. While reassuring the entity of the minority along with their dignities, other languages are fairly permitted to use in every private area; not in public. (See the article from 1 to 5 for the concerned case).All is equal and all shall be treated well so long as they are respectful to the merits of law.Yet, If you come over and take a long way down to the tunnel street it�s even very likely for you to run into PKK�s brochures and papers in bookstores no matter how illegal.

I finish this with an affirmative statement on Chucky�s "imbalance thing" from an historical event of turkish-irish friendship during the Irish Famine, I can add the Sultan Abdulhamid example, the one of the last emporers assisted the irish financially to found the IRA even though after WW1,(see 1914-1918) the british royal parliament from troops made of some reluctant and some volunteer Australians and Irishmen attacked while turkish natives while driving the enemy away from their very own land.They stepped stepped out in Istanbul (see 16 March 1920)

So now you appreciate me with a brightful remark on a free pkk state to be founded in Turkey and a Turkey over the blood we have burried for so far?


Sorry I am not gonna buy it this time.

Slan

A chara Cryingtale.

I find it rather ironic that you opened this thread with a mention of freedom but close it denying the rights of kurds to nationhood.

If you want to identify with Irish Republicanism then I ask you to do so in a global context as we do.

You cannot say that the Irish, Palestinians, and Basques have a noble cause without affording the same to the Kurds.

Amnesty International can supply a list of human rights abuses committed by the Turkish state that would even shame the British occupation forces in Ireland.

I'm sorry but that's the way I see it.

Slan

As you obviously do not know, while people were starving to death in Ireland, the Brits increased their exportations from there...

I won't get into a slanging match with this person. He clearly is ignorant of the issues and shows no intention to learn from those of us who have studied them.
I would urge others to ignore him and not waste time or energy engaging with him. Unless it's military engagement and i'd happily pull the trigger !

Tiocfaidh ar la

Oh no no no. YOU'RE ignorant of the issues. Get yur facts straight before posting on here the Britain occupies Ireland. Britain occupies Ireland? What a load of rubbish. Next you'll be saying that Elvis is alive.

Sorry Chucky, didn't read your post until now, but that's the most sensible advice I've heard in a while, even if I don't agree with you much...

Fianna,

It's true we differ on some things, for you the end justifys the means.
The end we both want is the same, a 32 county Irish republic. One way or another we'll have it. I've put my faith in SF and you haven't. We are still on the same side and must remain united against the fools like Lancashire who don't see the inevitabilty that is Irish unity.
The vast majority of people on the island of Ireland want it. Their day will come.

Slan go foill

Fully agreeing with Chucky and Fianna.
Now, let's just let the kid to his games and do as if he weren't here