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> Never Give Up, Smile!, a brief apology for military attacks

Cryingtale
post Jan 10 2004, 12:06 PM
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[Aut disce aut discede]Greetings from Turkey

Finally, It's a great pleasure to have found out a website wherein the people of freedom gather.I have been looking for it for ages.

As a human being inhabited in a 3'rd world country for all my life, I have the honor to embrace the cause of irish people bywhich it can be seen through our the history of our lineage as well as at present.

From what I have learned under the days of recent war-pressure on iraq, c the imperial power affects governal decisions; it only brought in hypocritism,inhumane goals, garbage values in favor of the estrangement for WASP (Global policies based on Anglo-Saxonism) and took prosperity and peace away from our lands. On our side, we do have the hope for unification to struggle against the unjustifiable war on terror garble.

Hence, it's abundantly clear that a military response is necessary to drive them away, from all parts of the world.

Theirs is a system that has to be crashed; Years passed by us,unfortunately, have changed nothing but it's still us who need to hold our heads high on our way as martrys did in a foggy dew.

Anyone republican or not should contribute as much as he can, as an irish leader put forward. Bloodsuckers are go to hell, soon or late. Who cares reckoning the date? They are powerful but that's non sense as long as hearts beat non stop for freedom!


it's our time to act and that's it. Thanks for listening. [email protected]



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post Jan 10 2004, 03:18 PM
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Well said a chara. Make sure you post here again, be interested in hearing what you have to say.

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post Jan 21 2004, 09:31 AM
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Hello...

It's not meant provocative but: What do you think of the way Turkey deals with the Kurdish 'problem'?
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post Jan 21 2004, 09:43 AM
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Good question Christophe.

The Kurds have had it tough. Their homeland straddles Turkey, Iraq and, I think, Iran. The PKK has fought a guerilla war for years for a free Kurdistan and as a result kurds have been persecuted. Especially by Saddam who murdered many of them with chemical weapons.

Turkey aren't so cruel but still they restrict the use of their language amongst other breaches of human rights which will keep them out of the E.C. for the forseeable future.

Personally I see the Kurds the same as I see the Palestinians, Basques, Catalans et al. All nations without a homeland.

What do others think ?

ps. To balance things a bit ... A Turkish friend of mine told me that during the Irish Famine during the 1840's the only ones who gave any aid/support (whilst the English refused to allow corn to be given to the starving Irish) was the Ottoman Empire. We thank you for that a chairde.
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post Jan 23 2004, 01:57 AM
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Kurdistan
Massacre from the BBC
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post Jan 23 2004, 09:38 AM
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I agree indeed, although Catalans? Pushed a bit far in my opinion... I've already been in Catalunya, so... No problem about more autonomy, too right... The Catalan nationalist party was even the biggest winner in the last elections...
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post Jan 26 2004, 04:13 PM
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[Aut disce aut discede]

First of all, let me put it this way,
I have written this post only as a response for Chucky-wise ones.So please none of you take it personal.I acknowledge that there has been no such an internal turkish kurdish battle taking place in Turkey recently or ever.It�s true that PKK (Kurdistan�s Workers Party) has been fighting a guerilla war including suicide bombing attacks against innocent civillians from both kurds and turks in various urbans of Turkey; though precedingly for the purpose of an independent socialist administrationship at the eastern south.Therefore this kind of movement doesn�t address the entire demands of the whole kurdish community those who are 25 million dwelling in Turkey. Hence,statistically speaking, this range doesn�t even indicate %1 percentage over all.Even if we consider this sort of reaction as a national rebel, why even the leader, namely Abdullah �calan, is ethnically armenian or else half arab?

To expose the war on Pkk with a resemblance to a struggle of any free state is not persuasive, but rather seems a misunderstanding on account of disinformation about the region. Also, with respect to documental research on this case, there was no tribal governship of kurds recognized at any time of history, not even by Irishmen.Consequently, it�s way too much incomprehendable.

As to the language restriction; The official language of Turkey is Turkish merely because it�s a national constitiution. While reassuring the entity of the minority along with their dignities, other languages are fairly permitted to use in every private area; not in public. (See the article from 1 to 5 for the concerned case).All is equal and all shall be treated well so long as they are respectful to the merits of law.Yet, If you come over and take a long way down to the tunnel street it�s even very likely for you to run into PKK�s brochures and papers in bookstores no matter how illegal.

I finish this with an affirmative statement on Chucky�s "imbalance thing" from an historical event of turkish-irish friendship during the Irish Famine, I can add the Sultan Abdulhamid example, the one of the last emporers assisted the irish financially to found the IRA even though after WW1,(see 1914-1918) the british royal parliament from troops made of some reluctant and some volunteer Australians and Irishmen attacked while turkish natives while driving the enemy away from their very own land.They stepped stepped out in Istanbul (see 16 March 1920)

So now you appreciate me with a brightful remark on a free pkk state to be founded in Turkey and a Turkey over the blood we have burried for so far?


Sorry I am not gonna buy it this time.

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post Jan 26 2004, 04:58 PM
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A chara Cryingtale.

I find it rather ironic that you opened this thread with a mention of freedom but close it denying the rights of kurds to nationhood.

If you want to identify with Irish Republicanism then I ask you to do so in a global context as we do.

You cannot say that the Irish, Palestinians, and Basques have a noble cause without affording the same to the Kurds.

Amnesty International can supply a list of human rights abuses committed by the Turkish state that would even shame the British occupation forces in Ireland.

I'm sorry but that's the way I see it.

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post Jan 30 2004, 05:21 AM
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As to the language restriction; The official language of Turkey is Turkish merely because it�s a national constitiution. While reassuring the entity of the minority along with their dignities, other languages are fairly permitted to use in every private area; not in public. (See the article from 1 to 5 for the concerned case).All is equal and all shall be treated well so long as they are respectful to the merits of law


In every private area? What a luxury, it would be like telling the Irish only to be allowed to speak Gaelic at home! Once you pass the doorstep, you're acting illegaly when speaking in Kurdish?
The Kurds have proven more than just the PKK: how were their reactions in Irak? An independent Kurdistan or at least as much autonomy as they could get? Why is Turkey lobbying that strongly with America just to prevent that? The Kurdish movement is surely not only the Pkk??

What Chucky Armagh mentioned about human rights in Turkey is just the sad truth....
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post Feb 1 2004, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (Noel @ Jan 10 2004, 02:17 PM)
whoever you are i liked that....You sound like the sort of Man/Woman that wishes to see Ireland free the way it should be....We would have been on our way if they provies hadnt deserted us but heck we will get there sooner or later

Ireland IS free. It's a Republic. What's wrong with you?
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post Feb 1 2004, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (Chucky Armagh @ Jan 21 2004, 09:43 AM)
Good question Christophe.

The Kurds have had it tough. Their homeland straddles Turkey, Iraq and, I think, Iran. The PKK has fought  a guerilla war for years for a free Kurdistan and as a result kurds have been persecuted. Especially by Saddam who murdered many of them with chemical weapons.

Turkey aren't so cruel but still they restrict the use of their language amongst other breaches of human rights which will keep them out of the E.C. for the forseeable future.

Personally I see the Kurds the same as I see the Palestinians, Basques, Catalans et al. All nations without a homeland.

What do others think ?

ps. To balance things a bit ... A Turkish friend of mine told me that during the Irish Famine during the 1840's the only ones who gave any aid/support (whilst the English refused to allow corn to be given to the starving Irish) was the Ottoman Empire.  We thank you for that a chairde.

There was a famine in ALL OF EUROPE in the 1840's. But not in England because it was the richest country in the world. There was even a famine in Scotland. But why should England give corn to all of the countries in Europe that needed it? It would have had none left for itself.

But Irish made the situation for themselves worse. As the Belgians were opening soup kitchens and bakeries because they also had a famine, the Irish just sat on their asses expecting the English to feed them.
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post Feb 1 2004, 07:09 PM
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As you obviously do not know, while people were starving to death in Ireland, the Brits increased their exportations from there...
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post Feb 1 2004, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Chucky Armagh @ Jan 26 2004, 04:58 PM)
A chara Cryingtale.

I find it rather ironic that you opened this thread with a mention of freedom but close it denying the rights of kurds to nationhood.

If you want to identify with Irish Republicanism then I ask you to do so in a global context as we do.

You cannot say that the Irish, Palestinians, and Basques have a noble cause without affording the same to the Kurds.

Amnesty International can supply a list of human rights abuses committed by the Turkish state that would even shame the British occupation forces in Ireland.

I'm sorry but that's the way I see it.

Slan

Britain doesn't occupy Ireland. It is a free, democratic nation. A member of the EU. God, you're stupid.
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post Feb 2 2004, 03:09 AM
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I won't get into a slanging match with this person. He clearly is ignorant of the issues and shows no intention to learn from those of us who have studied them.
I would urge others to ignore him and not waste time or energy engaging with him. Unless it's military engagement and i'd happily pull the trigger !

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post Feb 2 2004, 03:25 AM
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Oh no no no. YOU'RE ignorant of the issues. Get yur facts straight before posting on here the Britain occupies Ireland. Britain occupies Ireland? What a load of rubbish. Next you'll be saying that Elvis is alive.
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