Hi all!

I've decided to open a separate topic for discussion, because in "No Bush 2004" it's a bit off the point.
As for me, abortion cannot be tolerated at all.
I'm waiting for your opinions!

Dennis

My Opinion.... For starters, Its a womans body, it should be a womans decision. Keeping it or not is still a choice.

The living creature inside her womb is not only her body. It has a body of it's own, and woman, IMHO, has no right to decide here. No one can decide about your life, but God.

if you'll get caught by some Mafia guys, and they do very bad things with you, they torture you,
they put some strange animal into your womp and you have to live with it,
would you think like that, too?

not a nice story,fionas (where the heck did you get that from)!
my opinion is, that the core question of the whole dispute is WHAT IS HUMAN LIFE?
( fragmental questions of this are : does personality make a human being a person? or do basic rights apply for unborn childs? ) (hey, and that even rhymed...copyright by me,got that?)

and i think that's the thing we need strict reglemantations for,laws. eg:

1. abortion is legal
2. before abortion is granted, things have to be considered, such as :
1. origin of the pregnancy (rape etc. )
2. medical circumstances (risk for mother at birth)
3. social status of the mother (teenaged mom,living alone,poverty)

many more factors do play a role in that,but i think that would be a way...

Grettings,
David

Men discussing a woman's decision... how ironical...

Let's take these things in a more personal way : what would YOU do?
As for myself, I wouldn't get abortion in most cases. But there are two cases in which I might think about it twice : if I had been raped and felt unable to love the child and if my child was sick and going to suffer uselessly.

she's right


*SHUTS UP* :mellow:

<1. abortion is legal
2. before abortion is granted, things have to be considered, such as :
1. origin of the pregnancy (rape etc. )
2. medical circumstances (risk for mother at birth)
3. social status of the mother (teenaged mom,living alone,poverty)>

How would you like the following:

1. Murder is legal
2. Before licence for murder is granted, things have to be considered:
etc.

And applications like:

"When my child was born, I was rich, and after a month I lost all my money and cannot provide for my child. Please grant permission to kill him"
RESOLUTION: APPROVED.

Absurd.

I wouldn't normally, but I had to ....

I would never abort a child .. even if I had been raped. Too many people want children and can't have and I believe it isn't my decision which life deserves a chance and which doesn't. Every child conceived is a gift from God and who I am to take their life in my hands and decide that the gift that God gave wasn't worthy of life. That is my opinion for me .... however ...

If a woman wants to .. I believe they should have the right. It is not my place to judge ... the bible even says .. judge ye not lest ye be judged. It is a personal matter between that woman and her maker. I'm not here to place a judgement only to say that that God gave us free will and I don't think it is mine or anyone elses right to take that away. Everyone will be judged ... it is not my place to do so. I just hope that others think before they do something like that.

Abortion is out of the question...1.5 million abortions happen each year in USA alone! The fact that you can say...yes maybe the mother could MAYBE have health problems if the baby is born, well look at it this way, if the baby is aborted you are guaranteed that at least one person will die! and as for it is the woman's body she should do as she pleases with it...what about all of these drugs that are not legal? why should abortion be legal when it is actually killing another living human being? it is not the woman's body she is harming...it is the unborn child's! and the fact about rape...in america there are 1,500,000 abortions per year, only 1% of them are caused by rape! abortion is a selfish act, if the woman doesnt want the child just put it for adoption!, and as for the child being sick? look at beethoven's mother, she gave birth to 8 children before him, they all were either retarded or blind, but she didnt have an abortion! and look what came out of her, a brilliant man! i suspect out of all of these abortions that have already taken place we may have well just have killed our chance for a cure to cancer! abortion should be illegal that is all there is to it...

capitalism is supporting selfish acts, or isn't it selfish to drain the money out of the poor people, cancel working places only to save money for thus rich cunts that call themselves "upper class"

isn't it selfish to cut down the rain forests, stealing homes for the animals and natives only for money?

and isn't it inhuman to steal a woman the control over her body?

that is just the thing! it isnt her body it is the child's body! and as for the rain forest ect... two wrongs dont make a right!

the best thing for a woman to do if she doesnt want a child is to keep her legs shut ;)

NorCalGuitarist,
don't do as if you were not involved. Keep your little thing inside your pants and you won't have any child either if you don't want to. :)
Because that also is a problem. Many abortions happen because you men don't have the guts to stay when you've done somethng stupid. Having sex without contraception, is just as stupid for you as it is for us. There should be more laws to give both more rights and more duties to fathers.

I don't think Beethoven's mother knew anything about echography, did she? Maybe she would have decided something else if she had. And it wouldn't have prevented her from keeping Beethoven.

But I agree that most abortions happen for unjustified reasons : career, adultry, just not feeling like having a child, being stupid enough to have used no contraception, etc... It doesn't mean some didn't really have any other choice.