Puting on a Uniform doesnt make it right!
If you are THAT FUCKING BRAINWASHED that you will do as you are told simply because the 'Commander' told you to, than you are DEFINATELY Brit Military.
If they told you to fire-bomb Short Strand for 'Military Security' reasons, Would you do it? Of course you would because you are BRAINWASHED! Hiding behind a Uniform and thinking its OK to kill and Slaughter is just WRONG! But the Queen tells you its OK, so you believe it. Can you say DOLT?
Your Military has told you that the IRA are terrorists. They told you that the IRA are the bad guys. It all seems pretty one-sided to me. If you were to question the very people that instructed you about getting to the root of the problem. If you were to ask them why the fighting has been going on for hundreds of years. The REAL reason the fighting has gone on this long, They would probably brand you as a traitor and send you to prison. All for thinking on your own. Hmmm, Do you see a pattern here yet? WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Beat the Brits by ignoring them <_<

I think you would have shoot Micheal Collins if you would lived in that time...

/lyrics/219 B)

Please someone for God's sake, take that fucking flag off this website !

Let's talk about Stormont (I know some of you don't like politics, but... ) as far as I know the only poltical party against peace is Ian Paisley's unionist party ! So if I were you, I'd shut it.


Nice words, so beautiful. The hell, if you think you can get peace, I dare suggest you are stupid and damn naive. "The fools, the fools, the fools, they have left us our fenians dead. And while Ireland hold these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace".
This is not only a quotation, it's a realistic statement, there'll be no peace in Ireland until the Brits fuck off. Because there's no justice and no freedom while they 're there and because no Irish man or woman will ever accept to live without justice and freedom.


So I may assume that the Army is composed of young brainless lads who are unable to think for themselves (but this we di know). Moreover, should we then suppose that the order of killing civilians in the Bloody Sunday, shooting-to-kill policies (Let's just mention Gibralta, Mairead Farrell, Danny Mc Cann and Sean Savage), etc, etc, etc, all that are direct orders from Westminster? Grand, may I ask you if you would be ok to bring the case to the European Court and stand as a witness ?

Patrick,
no need to argue, you know how it goes in the Army. They're like young children and they explain things simply, I mean it's just a game. "So you are the good one, in front of you it is the bad one, just shoot to send the fucking bastard to hell. And if you're killed... Click on start again"



Raising this flag is already fighting. I hope for you that you run fast :)

Now, one more word, Rab,
Don't even dare calling yourself a Republican again. Keep loyal to your Queen and accept the mere fact that you are an enemy to Ireland.
And again one more word,
why do you think you put on a uniform in the Army ? To look handsome ? To recognize your friends in the crowd ? I'll tell you what a uniform is : it means I am no human, I am a soldier. When you put on your uniform, you're not Mr X who has a wife and children, etc... You are just a soldier, like thousands of other soldiers. You mean nothing on your own. If you're killed, it doesn't matter, cause there are thousands of soldiers who are just like you. Moreover, if the uniform helps you to recognize your friends, it also helps your enemy to recognize you. And if you get killed, it's not a murder. I mean in a war you have a right to kill whoever doesn't wear the same uniform as you. And if you're killed, it's not Mr X who dies. It's only a soldier. That is what uniform is : the clear statement that you are not a human, but a fonction.
And a question
Do you sleep well at night?

Slan agat

Charlotte, that flag is the flag of Great Britain rather than the flag of the United Kingdom. It is a flag that represents Britain without Ireland - As seen by the removal of the St. Patrick's cross.



And? Did I ever suggest anything to the contrary? As you've correctly stated - The Republican movement is geared towards peace. That was was my very point - That Fionas represents an extremist and minority view.



I have relatives who stood with Pearse, and who believed his words. They fought under his banner. But his words are almost 90 years old. If the British Army left Ireland there'd be a civil war - There'd be murder and conflict on a scale never seen in 300 years in Ireland.

You talk about "Justice" and "Freedom". Where's the justice in suspending democracy? Where's the freedom is not holding elections?



You can assume whatever you want, but don't even slander some of the finest young men in the world as "brainless".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2542719.stm

The Regiment was cleared in a court of law of any wrongdoing, something that the IRA never have to go through.



Have you ever been involved in the Army? For your insulting description I believe not.



Why do you label me as a Monarchist? Because that's what you like to imagine the big-bad-British soldiers as being. I'm far from it. I'm a British Republican. I'm a Catholic. I know it's hard for you grasp the concept - But not all soldiers are "God save the Queen, No Surrender, Flute playing maniacs. If it helps you justice cold-blooded murder then fine, keep your delusions. It's a shame you're so far from the truth.

If wearing a uniform is so important to being part of a conflict; why don't the IRA do it too?

Then raise an English flag in England if you want, but don't raise such a flag in a Republican area, with or without St Patrick's cross. (Not to mention that I dunno how much the Scots and Welsh like this flag)


You're not honouring them much !


No matter how old, they're still true. There would be a civil war you think? I'd say the Orange supporters would try to raise one indeed, but they are a minority and I believe more and more protestants are willing to live hand in hand with Catholics, under an Irish flag if necessary. Your question about Justice and Freedom, I'd just ask the same to the British Government. Don't try to turn the whole thing upside down, we know the truth and you do as well.


And I dare repeating it


The question being "what court?" The European Court said exactly the opposite. "The European Court of Human Rights condemned the killing of three Irish activists by British SAS troops in Gibraltar, a British colony on the southern tip of Spain, in 1988. The Court found that there was no justification for the shooting deaths of Mairead Farrell, Daniel McCann, and Sean Savage. The ruling has added weight to the claim, long made by fighters for Irish freedom, that the British army operated a "shoot-to-kill" policy in the course of its military occupation of Northern Ireland."


I haven't and I thank God for that.


You might not support the Queen, as a soldier, you still fight for her.


Maybe because they are humans

I'd like to make a wee point at this stage if I may.

This is a forum.

If everybody was to agree on everything then there would be no forum

Please read and learn. Just because someone says something you don't agree with it doesn't mean they are wrong. Surely the personal insults are unnecessary.

There are some great people on here with fine points to make, let's not spoil it.

A moderator should be saying this instead of shouting people like me and Rab down all the time.

I don't agree with Rab but I respect his right to express his view.

ok, brits can shoot strangers and its lawful, oppressed by britannia shoot brits, and they are terrorsits...

I would not be suprised if the queen is married with bin Laden <_<




...and in the other hand you say that you just do what the politics told you to do
if they tell you to kill, and you kill, if they tell you to die, you will die...
you live and die for the queen, so aren't you a monarchist?

and finally never knew that britain is a republic :lol:


Chucky, a moderator isnt a judge, he can also have his own opinion ;)
he wants to discuss, too

lol!


Rab my friend...you have been told STRAIGHT!

I think you've misunderstood the whole point of the post. Fiona asked me what i'd do in a future British invasion; I replied that i'd do nothing - I used that flag to demonstrate the fact that you can have pride in the Union of the Crowns, but shame in the continued presence in Ireland.



No, you're delibrately avoiding democracy because it weakens the case for a unified Republic. Irrelevant of the British government's record of justice, you must still see the will of the people.



And without any military basis your opinion is all but worthless.



The European system is also the one that you yourself are attacking here: http://www.petitiononline.com/gaedhilg/petition.html . You cannot pick and choose which you can support.



A shame; you might actually begin to understand what goes on in the streets.

You know Rab, me grandmother told me about her hometown was accupied my germans in 1942... The soldier who lived in her family house was a nice guy - he was bringin' medecines, food and other necessary thigs to them, but the locals kept hangin' on the streets, lots of people were arrested and sent to a concentration camps in Germany. Because the occupants were the occupants.
I may guess you are a nice guy, because I know a couple of scottish paratroopers.
But raisin the brits flag at this kind of Forum means:
1. You delare the war here.
2. You are stupid.
3. You are Reebok fan
Keep proudin' somewhere else.
http://cathar.narod.ru/m/arranged/Paddys_I...ritish_Army.mp3
:ph34r:

P.S. Fellas from Germany! I did not mean to abuse or to insult you. I know that most of you are deeply regreatin'. ;)

You could at least be decent enough to put a smaller picture you damn soldier !

[quote]I think you've misunderstood the whole point of the post. Fiona asked me what i'd do in a future British invasion; I replied that i'd do nothing - I used that flag to demonstrate the fact that you can have pride in the Union of the Crowns, but shame in the continued presence in Ireland.[/quote]
I don't care about the point of your post. This flag is an insult to us all. No flag belonging to our enemy will be raised proudly in front of us, with or without St patrick's cross

[quote]No, you're delibrately avoiding democracy because it weakens the case for a unified Republic. Irrelevant of the British government's record of justice, you must still see the will of the people. [/quote]
etc etc etc. if you knew me a little more, you wouldn't say that. I'm one of the rare ones here to claim I want freedom through the polls.

[quote]And without any military basis your opinion is all but worthless. [/quote]
And being biased as you are about the Army I dare say your opinion isn't worth much more. Can we believe a soldier saying the Army is great?

[quote]The European system is also the one that you yourself are attacking here: http://www.petitiononline.com/gaedhilg/petition.html . You cannot pick and choose which you can support. [/quote]
Sorry, I believe in the European system and support it fully. This petition that you think is an attack against Europe just asks Gaelic to be an official language. It's not against Europe, it's recognizing Irish is a European language too.

[quote]A shame; you might actually begin to understand what goes on in the streets.[/quote]
So if I get to wear your uniform and kill some civilians in Belfast and Derry, I'll understand what goes on in the streets? Sorry but I think the 14 martyrs of the Bloody Sunday understand it much better than you do.

[quote]No, I don't. I fight for my family and my friends. You might, in your deluded mind, think I do it out of loyalty for the Queen. If that's the disturbed way you wish to think, so be it. But if for once in your life you could see the world without green tinted glasses you might be surprised at what you see.[/quote]
No matter why you fight personally. YOU DO FIGHT FOR THE QUEEN. Your intentions and the facts might be different, but hey you cannot ignore facts.

[quote]Or maybe it's because they're no Army at all. [/quote]
Irish Republican ARMY... mmmh let me think, is it an army.... <_<

[quote]No, British soldiers can stop terrorists from killing civilians. Because whatever you think of Gibraltar, those three lives taken, lawfully or not, prevented a scene like this:
(huge picture)[/quote]
You obviously know nothing of what happened in Gibraltar and you still believe the first enquiry (made by the Brits for the Brits). You're really brainwashed in the Army or is it just that they forgot the European Court of Human Rights' enquiry?

[quote]That is what it comes down to; that's the bottom line. Attacking British soldiers benefits nobody - Indeed, conversely, it hurts and affects the very people you claim to represent.[/quote]
Because the Army never done harm, I guess? Oh sorry I always forget they're PROTECTING us.

[quote]I believe in a United Ireland. I do nothing towards that aim. You believe in a United Ireland. You too do nothing towards that aim. [/quote]
You obviously don't believe in it. Not only don't you do anything, but you're going against it. And we might not do much, but at least we try, with our little means.

[quote]But you all believe you are making a contribution. Perhaps it's time you picked up a L85A1 or an AK-47 or even an SLR and got onto the streets. Perhaps that would be for the best.[/quote]
If I were you, I'd not say that. You might tempt some of my friends around here. Personally, I'm not completely disgusted by politics yet, so i'll try this way.

[quote]Because ultimately, the IRA, whatever name you give them, don't just attack British soldiers. They murder civilians. And if you tell me that's a "Necassary casualty of war", i'll leave happy that you have the blood of mothers on your hands. Or not, since you don't actually lift a finger for this movement you claim to care so much for.[/quote]
I don't think any of us believe in killing mothers and that all of us were shocked by the Omagh bombing. But I think that you guys in the Army believe in killing children (Many of the Bloody Sunday victims were aged 17, not to mention all the other examples) : you're responsible for more deaths than you could ever count on your miserable fingers. You and your parents and grandparents and government and all. We won't ever forget the last 800 years. You accuse us of not lifting a finger (and how would you know?) but I accuse you of having lifted yours a bit too much : how many people did you kill thanks to your great Army?


Slan agat

Fully agreeing with Sean on each point.

Good job, Sean !

Slan agat

Any comparison of any event to the holocaust or to the Second World War is a foolish one. That's hundreds of millions of deaths while you obsess over a few dozen. I don't for a moment suggest that those deaths should be tolerate, but do ask you don't embaress yourself with such outrageous claims.

And once more, that flag is British - And was shown in response to a question.



If your "enemy" is the British nation - Then your enemy includes many people who write on this forum.



I'm the first to stand up and critise the Army. But I do so only when it is justified; as opposed to you, who seeks to critise it whenever possible.



If you support it fully, then you'll know that the European Parliament is behind the British government's troop deployment in Northern Ireland, and the Good Friday Agreement.



"Kill some civilians"

More simplistic and unrealistic analysis of the Armed forces. If you put on webbing, if you slung a rifle, if you clipped up your Kevlar and you walked amoung the people who seek to liberate you'd gain an insight. France is a world away from the realities of the Falls Road. The 14 people murdered on Bloody Sunday were not martryrs - They were people protesting against an un-liberal and anti-civil practise. They marched for something they believed it - They didn't DIE because they believed in it - They died because somebody fucked up. You've got a wonderful tendancy to label people - They died; they didn't ask for it. They are not martyrs.



I cannot ignore facts? You're the one who fails to realise that the Queen has no role in Parliament. I fight for the people of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and while I'm sad to say it, Northern Ireland. The Queen has no bearing - You're just using the Monarchy as a way to demonise myself and my regiment.



No, it was an Army 80 years ago - Now it's a couple of blokes with some Libyan and American supplied arms who believe the murder of civilians is as tolerable as the murder of soldiers.



I believe only the sovereignty of a democratically elected and accountable government. The EU is none of these things. You are quite correct that the British enquiry was far from perfect; as you say, it was set up to exonerate the men. But the European court's only job was the satify the needs of the Irish government. Both were equally slanted.



It only promotes the cycle of violence that's ravished Ireland for a hundred years.



It's absoloutely irrelevant if the Army is a genocidal force - It does not excuse the murder of innocent civilians. Once again; you choose to resort to the "For 800 years we've fought you without fear".

If the IRA was a true insurgency, it would target only the military. But it even falls short of that. Your great hero, Bobby Sands, chose to target a furniture shop. That, sadly, sums up the "Army".

RAB, I would personally like to meet you on the street to "Bitch-slap' some sense into you. Sure, I was a soldier myself in the early 70's. The Viet nam War was just as stupid and rediculous as the war in Iraq. I was labeled a 'CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR'.. Do you know what that is? DO YOU??? Of course not you little PUKE! You dont have a clue about standing up for your own rights you little fuck. But just for everyones amusement (you too chucky), I will explain... That means, YES, I am a soldier (I was drafted, if you know what THAT means), But I disagree with WHY we are killing all these people. Sure, Give me a rifle and tell me to shoot civilians just because they have squinty eyes. WRONG!!!! Standing up for myself and for whats RIGHT (not what your Army tells you is right) got me some 'Jail time' but at least I can sleep at night knowing that we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
I did the RIGHT THING!
Now its your turn. You say you want a Unified Ireland. Then tell the Queen to stick her Army up her old saggy arse and fight to get the British Influence the hell out of Eire!