Just a question and I really thought about this before I posted it! I have learned so much about all the different Republican groups, So here is the Million dollar question!

Why is there so much fighting and dissagreements between the parties besides the obvious. ie. GFA. What I mean is why can't we form one party that is truely Republican, and the so called Republicans ie.Sinn F�in should have to go by some other name. It should be like a membership thing kind of like a club. All Republicans either anti-GFA or not, should join together as one group. Then maybe we can join our forces and ideas to achieve our goal. So if one section does not want to use force then they don't have to they can do their own thing. Just like the SF and the Provo's. Cause this brother killing and ratting on each other makes us look like a bunch of idiots not soldiers. Fuck who needs the RUC/PSNI what ever they want to be called its all the same shit, we can kill our selves then Britian can walk in and take over. Shit Sinn F�in has already started that, and now the provo's who supposedly have no guns and disband are out shooting real devoted Republicans.

All I can say it's stuff like this that makes us look like a bunch of fool's. CIRA OIRA PIRA INLA SF RSF RIRA .......................shit either we are the Republican or we are not!

Just my two cents-but it doesn't mean shit just a thought

1 Party=1 Ireland

Its called 'Divide and Conquere'
The Brits have used this strategy for Generations. Wether the GFA worked or not, It was not written with the Irish peoples best interest at heart. Some people think Gerry Adams is a Traitor. Like him or not, He is the best we have. It would be alot easier if there were only 2 sides to this conflict, but unfortunately there isnt. I think Ireland needs a new face in government. A face that truly speaks of helping Ireland become 'A Nation Once Again' Not a face that is lining his pockets and ignoring the Real Problems.
SAOIRSE!

I think that Provisional Republicanism have themselves very well organised. You rarely hear of disagreement from Sinn F�in members when it comes to party policy. The party is tight and well disciplined. Very few cracks. Provisional IRA members are extremely well disciplined. Just look how long they've been on a ceasefire, and I'm sure they've had their fair share of young members eager for action. But yet they've keep them under control.

Unfortunately the alternative Republican movement is not so well organised. It is divided and factional. It would be great to have all the anti-GFA Republican movements as one party, but I really can't see it happening. Maybe if Sinn F�in became really dominant, these groups would have no choice but to unite. But there are just too many different ideologies, and even mistrust and hatred, amonst the groups you talk about.

But hey, look at Unionism. It's even worse off. 30 UUP members walked out of a meeting today in protest. I just hope that the DUP doesn't capitalise from this and focus Unionism.

Sl�n

that makes total sense! But it would still be nice to be one group.

IRA behind abduction, say police


22 February 2004

The head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland yesterday blamed the IRA for an incident in which a dissident republican was abducted and injured in Belfast on Friday.

Four men were arrested after an unmarked police vehicle stopped a van near the city centre. A fifth person, republican Bobby Tohill, was found injured and was treated in hospital.

Chief Constable Hugh Orde said: "The activity was Provisional IRA activity. We are talking about an operation by uniformed officers from a local police station who arrested people who are connected to the Provisional IRA."

Tohill, a one-time republican prisoner believed to sympathise with the breakaway Real IRA, was said to have been abducted from a bar near theFalls Road.

Sinn Fein said it opposes incidents such as that on Friday. A spokesman said: "The details of last night's incident are not clear. We have heard allegations like this before."

There has already been an outcome.... seems that they were charged with unlawfully imprisoning Bobby Tohill, assaulting him and having items likely to be of use to terrorists. Irish IRA membership charges were, however, dropped.

Ulster unionist leader David Trimble led calls yesterday for Sinn F�in's expulsion from the review talks at Stormont aimed at restoring Northern Ireland's devolved Assembly. Democratic Unionists Deputy Leader Peter Robinson said parties could
also impose their own sanctions against Sinn F�in by boycotting meetings with republicans during the review, like his party. British and Irish government sources indicated last night that there was no sanction arrangement for punishing any party linked to paramilitaries if an alleged ceasefire breach had occurred.


Nationalist SDLP leader Mark Durkan also pointed the finger of blame
for Friday night's event at the IRA and accused Sinn F�in of evasion.

The Foyle MLA said the Independent Monitoring Commission must be
allowed to do its job of assessing the state of the IRA's ceasefire
and other ceasefires.

Sinn F�in's chief negotiator Martin McGuinness said his party would
not be put out of the review.

The Mid-Ulster MP insisted the party was essential to the peace
process and would not be turned in to "a whipping boy" for others.


events are so mixed up here... the SF have been excluded from the talks. The others have made a decision on what is supposedly best for the Irish people, only without what I consider to be a voice for the Irish

Just like the UDA renewed their supposed cease fire also. The cease fire agreemnt they signed was due to expire on Saturday. It is a fuckin joke anyhoo.... in the last year they have been responisible for so many violent acitivites and yet this new deal, one agreed to for another year is being made to show that they are so serious about the peace process. Makes me sick in a way. Whats even worse is that the SF lost their voice with the four men having been accoused of IRA involvement and yet IRA membership charges were withdrawn against the four men accused of assault and imprisoning Mr Tohill, Mr Orde has publicly insisted that the incident was an IRA operation. So they look bad even if it wasn't true and the UDA are looking like the stars in all this. Well, this all really pisses me off... but I'm right in the middle of it all

A few other things that I feel I should point out in this... the four blokes, when drug to court were facing many people tesitifying against them.... what had happened was that they were at a bar.... the four are RIRA, and Tohill is a provo, and they were all at this bar. The RIRA closed the doors and beat him. When in court, the others that were present had bruises also, so Tohill wasn't alone in that bar, he was just the only one they had in hand. The other thing that wasn't stated in public too much was that it was all over drugs... wasn't politically motivated at all, but of course they want it to be made to look that way so that they can cause more problems for the SF. Anyhoo, I first told you what the 'papers' have to say about it, and then I told you what is 'known' to be true. There is always two stories here, just thought you might find all the rest interesting. Even if the charges of them being IRA were dropped, they are still being charged for the beating and the abduction. They will sit in prison, they'll do time. Since they were affiliated with a group... makes them look bad even if it wasn't politcal, they've made it that way.

Our people have way too much fun killing, beating, or slabberin each other... ffs we don't need anyone else to do it for us.

Does anybody find it strange how the PIRA were quickly blamed for the abduction, yet they dropped the charges if IRA membership when it came to charging them? Surely if Orde and the PSNI was so sure they were IRA members, there would have been no trouble in convicting them. Yet these men were smeared with IRA membership before they were found guilty.

And funny how it came just as the UDA make a declaration of an extension to their "ceasefire". Yet again the IRA is made to look like they are dishonouring their commitments to the GFA, while the Loyalists are seen as being commited to peace. The truth is so very different.