Fianna
Nov 25 2003, 01:43 PM
Bomb at Tyrone base
Press Association
A policewoman escaped injury when a bomb exploded near an Army base in Northern Ireland, it was revealed today.
The blast happened in Dungannon, Co Tyrone, late last night after police had moved into the area to carry out searches following a number of telephone warnings of a device having been planted.
The bomb partially exploded outside the Killymeal Road base as the woman officer was checking around the perimeter fence.
She was near the device at the time but was not hurt, said a police spokesman.
Army bomb disposal experts were sent in and a nearby leisure centre evacuated. The remainder of the bomb was made safe early today.
Dissident republicans were believed to be behind the bombing. They were also thought likely to have been responsible for a gun attack on a police station in Armagh last night.
A burst of several shots was fired at the police station on the Newry Road in the city.
The shots are believed to have come from a car speeding past the base. No-one was injured.
Northern Ireland Secretary Paul Murphy today condemned the attacks.
Mr Murphy said: ``Last night`s attacks on PSNI officers will be greeted with contempt right across the community.
``Police officers work on behalf of the whole of society and an attack on them is an attack on all of us.``
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Just what the fuck are the CIRA playing at? As a paramilitary group opposed to the elections of a government they don't accept, acknowledge or recognise, that is a fucking pathetic attempt at disruption. It's probably not my position to talk, but it all just seems fuckin amateurish. Come back Provos, all is forgiven!
Apparently there's going to be more than 2,000 extra peelers being deployed during the time of voting to stop terrorist attacks. Going by this attack it's a waste of money and man-power.
I hope the CIRA come up with something a hell of a lot bigger and better tomorrow.
And this time wire it up properly lads...
Werewolf
Dec 19 2003, 06:29 AM
I thought the CIRA were supposed to be mostly disgruntled ex-Provos? But I have to say that I've been amazed before at the antics of CIRA and especially the "RIRA" twats. A lot of bark but so far the bite has been found lacking. Pipebombs over the fence into the yard of a PSNI station (cosmetic damage to walls nearby, no broken windows or anything) in the middle of the night... I don't think that's going to drive the Brits away.
Anyway, I don't especially love the RU... PSNI but still I'd prefer attacks on the BA. That's the way war goes, get rid of the occupation force first, deal with collaborators later.
Chucky Armagh
Dec 19 2003, 07:23 AM
Now this might ruffle some feathers BUT ...
And it's especially aimed at the young lads here who keep telling me what a shit republican I am because (despite 70+% of Irish people voting for peace) I dont espouse the continuation of the war. (until we have exhausted the political effort)
Please check your words/deeds equation.
If you feel so angry... DO don't SAY (Have you read the green book ?)
Be inspired by our heroes don't insult them with wasted anger and empty words.
Tiocfaidh ar la
Our day WILL come !
ChrisyBhoy
Dec 20 2003, 07:00 AM
In this day and age, you cannot bomb Britain out of Ireland. And it will only strengthen their resolve to keep Ireland because they will feel as if the Unionists will then be in danger if a United Ireland is formed.
How has the political method failed? How long have you given it and what did you expect within five years?
We've got Home Rule back in Ireland now. Granted, its the pricks that have the majority, but just give that a chance. If we start bombing campaigns, okay, we MAY get a United Ireland. But it will take years longer than the political method will.
ChrisyBhoy
Dec 21 2003, 09:55 AM
There is no "people like me" shite here alright? We're all wanting the same thing here.
Back in the day, yeah, fighting worked. It worked well.
But now, you CANNOT fight Britain out of Ireland with the armalite. Not because they're too powerful (which they are) but because the whole world will see it. The Internet, TV, radio, telephone, newspapers, and communication in general has advanced. Way back when, things were a lot slower-moving, and the situation was different. Nowadays, the worlds view on our situation has changed. USA and Irish Americans wont support the IRA's cause as much as they did. The EU, UN, NATO certainly wont.
If we start bombing and trying to blow Britain away, the whole world will come down upon us. Just look at Israel/Palestine.
And besides, politics is working. Its got us Home Rule. Did the bombing campaign? No. It furthered the hope of a United Ireland.
Political methods were never gonna give an instant result and have Britain out of Ireland within a week. But they sure as hell will be a lot easier, and quicker, than attempting to blow the Brits out.
LAN'
Dec 22 2003, 04:53 AM
Glad to read that not all are GUN HO.
Fully agree with the comments Chucky and Chrisybhoy.
War will do nothing towards a united Ireland, only worsen it.
You can see what is happening on the worldstage of terrorism. If acts of violence are enforced on the population of the 6 the world will identify these as acts of terrorism. That also includes the opinion of nearly all in the Irish Republic.
The Brits will continue to spread to the world that the Republicans are bunch of thugs and terrorist and the local protestants will continue to harden their resolve.
Especially NOW!, when there has just been an election and the 6 have home rule again. Sadly the idiots are in Power. Adams and Paisley will have to work together.
The future of a United Ireland is in the hands of the politicians and strong strategically minded people who have a strong quest for a United Ireland. It is now the start of new era for Ireland. The next election if all goes well between, will show a different picture as people will get use to home rule.
No Irelands future is not in the hand of a few amaturs, RAMBO type thugs who make themselves look even more pathetic, stupid and untrustworthy with their feeble attempts of blowing the Brits out of Ireland. THEY ARE A JOKE and a disgrace to all Irish and in my opinion also to the past republican heroes.
If the political path fails then other means will have to be taken into consideration, such as war. But talking and politics is a long transitition and miracles are rarely met overnight. When can one say that the political path has failed?
Talk about republicanism, market republicanism, vote for republican needs and interests and you will see that they will be heard. Not as words of violence but as words for the good of the Irish and a united Irish people.
Noel> I know I will neaver change your mind. You have that right to think what you want. But let me make one statement. You should be open to what is around you. Sometimes one can only see what one self wants and one is lost in tunnel leading to nowhere. Look around you with open eyes and you may see what is happening and you may realise that other means have to be given a chance.
Fianna
Dec 23 2003, 06:14 PM
Well I posted up a few quotes from the Green Book on Noel and Charlottes site. Nowhere in the Green Book did it say you can't debate Republicanism in an anoymous way as we do here. The Green Book didn't really take the Internet into consideration now did it Chucky?
That's a class slogan there Noel, "Politics is a disgrace to our martyrs", and your dead fuckin right. The blood, lives and memories of our martyrs are worth more than a few worthless seats in a flawed and defunct Parliament. Who the fuck does Gerry Adams think he is, trading in the blood shed so that he can live a comfortable life as a servant of the Crown.
This is not what our fallen Volunteers would have wanted. And I believe I am 100% right in declaring that. They would not have chosen the path of militant Republicanism had they not been completely steadfast in their belief that the only answer to British occupation was through force. And that fact remains, nothing in the past 10 years has changed this. So there is absolutely no way that dissidents are a disgrace to Irish Republicanism, quite the opposite.
And by the way LAN', it was the "rambo type" Republicans and their "rambo type" attacks who became our heroes, so you're spouting your usual bollox by saying they look "pathetic". The bombing of the Tory convention in Brighton, the mortar bombing of 10 Downing Street, the assasination of Lord Mountbatten; all "spectacular" attacks, and all will go down in history as advancing the inevitable unification of Ireland. Sure, the many attempted bomb attacks by the CIRA and RIRA which fail to detonate may look "feeble", but it's the same old story: we only have to be lucky once. Dissidents need only set off one successful bombing to bring the Brits to their knees.
ChrisyBhoy we don't need defeatist shit like "you cannot fight Britain out of Ireland". It is possible. It has been in the past, and it will be in the future. And we do not have Home Rule. What we have right now is direct rule. That is what we have achieved through decommissioning, cessations and the hummiliation of Republicanism: direct rule. Even by becoming the largest Nationalist party in Ireland, Sinn F�in have nothing to show for it. How the fuck is that furthering the hope of a United Ireland? I think people have forgotten about the Six Counties and the struggle that continues there, both internationally and, unfortunately, in the Free State. It is a forgotten war. Maybe exactly what we need is for "the whole world to see it". We don't need the help of America or Irish-Americans, the EU, UN or NATO (we never had their support anyway).
It's our fight and our fight alone. We have history and a righteous cause on our side.
And I would've said we have God on our side except that I don't believe in God and I don't want Christophe, Charlotte and Sean to start fighting about religion again! :-)
And LAN', take your philosophical bullshit elsewhere. Noel is the very one here who knows exactly what is going on around him.
Sl�n
ChrisyBhoy
Dec 23 2003, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (Fianna @ Dec 23 2003, 06:14 PM) |
ChrisyBhoy we don't need defeatist shit like "you cannot fight Britain out of Ireland". It is possible. It has been in the past, and it will be in the future. And we do not have Home Rule. What we have right now is direct rule. That is what we have achieved through decommissioning, cessations and the hummiliation of Republicanism: direct rule. Even by becoming the largest Nationalist party in Ireland, Sinn F�in have nothing to show for it. How the fuck is that furthering the hope of a United Ireland? I think people have forgotten about the Six Counties and the struggle that continues there, both internationally and, unfortunately, in the Free State. It is a forgotten war. Maybe exactly what we need is for "the whole world to see it". We don't need the help of America or Irish-Americans, the EU, UN or NATO (we never had their support anyway).
It's our fight and our fight alone. We have history and a righteous cause on our side. |
Fianna mate, its not defeatist shit. Its factual shit.
I wish it wasnt true. I wish we could bomb fuck out of the Brits and they'd bugger off. I really do. But we cant.
I'm not talking about power-wise. If we start the bombing campaign again, then the unification of Ireland will take longer. That is my firm belief.
Yes, in the past, it worked. But we arent in the past, the world has totally changed and things just dont happen like that any more.
I didnt, and I'm not, saying that we need the help of the USA, Irish-Americans, EU, UN, NATO.
What I'm saying is that if we DO start bombing the fuck out of Britain, they will come down on us like a ton of bricks and Ireland will quickly be fucked right out of the whole world economy, the chain from the Six Counties to Britain will be strengthened, and we will be well and truly fucked.
Sadly, the case is that in the Republic, quite a number of people really dont give a shite whether the Six Counties come or go. If the IRA were to start bombing again, then they'd sway to the 'Go' side and would view the Six Counties as a shitehole that would be more trouble than its worth.
A very small number also want Britain to keep the Six Counties, because they already view the Six as nothing but a ball and chain that would drag the Republic down.
Now the majority want the Six Counties back. But I am pretty sure that they dont want more deaths, or bombings, or assassinations, to get it.
Now before you post.
I agree,
that in the past, the bombings worked brilliantly.
Keywords - in the past. The world has revolutionised totally.
Sinn Fein could be doing a better job
However, what other option, apart from bombings, do we have.
Fianna
Dec 24 2003, 01:40 PM
I'm sure many Fenians during the 1800's thought that after the 1798 Rising that the "world had totally changed and things just don't happen like that any more". Yet with each decade came more patriots to fight against occupation. They too were told that things had changed, but they saw through the defeatist propaganda. Were it not for these men there would have been no Easter Rising, no Free State, no prospect of a United Ireland.
The Brit Army was powerful too during the 1916 Rising and the War Of Indepenence, the most powerful empire in the world at the time. Yet we forced them out of the 26 Counties through the barrel of a gun. We can do it again. Things change, but so do we. Republicans adapt. Evolve. It's the reason why the prospect of a United Ireland still lives on, even after all these years of bloodshed and sacrafice. If we were all to think like you, that dream would be dead.
You might be happy to hammer the nails into the coffin of Irish Republican tradition, but as far as I'm concerned, you can do it alone.
Sl�n
ChrisyBhoy
Dec 24 2003, 05:23 PM
Fuck this.
Fianna I'm all for us arguin about means to an end. Thats why we're here, but for you to fuckin insult me personally isnt on.
"If we were all to think like you, that dream would be dead.
You might be happy to hammer the nails into the coffin of Irish Republican tradition, but as far as I'm concerned, you can do it alone."
What the fuck is that shite? You can take your opinion and shove it. I thought you were a decent cunt as well, but I dont see why the fuck you've got to make shite personal like that. If someone doesnt agree 100% with exactly every single word you say, you insult them. Well fuck it Fianna, it's cunts like you who will fuck up the dream of United Ireland.
At least Noel can accept that people have other opinions and thoughts and doesnt try to put them down about it.
I'm not tryin to hammer nails into the coffin of Irish Republican tradition. But I'd gladly fly in the face of the tradition if it meant getting a United Ireland.
Fuck it, I should be in a good mood, its the festive season.
Merry fuckin Christmas.
Charlotte
Dec 24 2003, 05:31 PM
Please, don't get into a new fight.
We want to be united, remember?
Slan go foill
Sean
Dec 25 2003, 01:44 AM
Charlotte is right!
Let's have Finnegan's wake next week...
(May be I'll have a possibility to make couple of punchs too )
Fianna
Dec 26 2003, 12:34 PM
What the fuck? Santa not good to you this year or something? ChrisyBhoy, take it easy will you? No need to throw a tantrum.
I wasn't trying to make anything personal out of this, but it's not my problem if you're that sensitive. It's a pity if the way I argue pisses you off, but if you don't like it then you can just ignore me. Simple.
Sl�n
ChrisyBhoy
Dec 26 2003, 02:12 PM
Santa was very good to me as a matter of fact.
I dont care about how you argue, we can argue as long as you want. But when you go and start takin personal potshots then its bang out.
You're the sensitive one here, not me. I can accept when people dont follow and agree with every single thought of my own. You on the other hand...
Patrick
Dec 26 2003, 03:45 PM
We can all agree to Disagree but, Lets save the REAL fighting for the pencil-necks (like Lan or any of his alter-egos). You guys have been a very important part of this Forum. Now, in the interest of peace, Fianna, pour yourself a pint, ChrisyBhouy, pour yourself a pint. Now, Raise your glass and toast to a United Ireland. Both of you have some catching up to do. You are about 3 pints behind me. And remember WHY we drink beer
Patrick
Dec 26 2003, 03:47 PM
In case anyone doesnt know WHY we drink beer, click on the link to my webpage and click on... 'Fun Pages'
ChrisyBhoy
Dec 26 2003, 05:37 PM
Hmmm...I have my own theory onw why we drink beer.
When we drink, we get drunk.
When we get drunk, we go to sleep.
When we sleep, we do not sin.
When we do not sin, we go to Heaven.
So lets all get drunk and go to Heaven!
Sean
Dec 27 2003, 12:16 AM
Hey! You have forgoten me! I wanna have a couple of dozens pints to a United Ireland too!
Patrick
Dec 27 2003, 06:03 AM
Sean, Lets have a few pints and go track down Ryan Keena He shouldnt be that hard to find. Just listen for him singing . Fianna, Are you in for a road trip to find Ryan?
Fianna
Dec 27 2003, 11:00 AM
Sounds a bit like Saving Private Ryan to me...maybe Saving Volunteer Ryan...
If we're going on a road trip, we need a non-drinking designated driver...
I nominate Sean!
Sean
Dec 27 2003, 02:57 PM
Padraig, a chara, what are you hint at? Singin' Ryan?
Fianna, sober driver is a slow and boring driver. I'd like to find Ryan quick and I'd like this chase be funny...
Charlotte
Dec 27 2003, 03:47 PM
I'm afraid our dear Ryan is gone and won't get back. Our friend volunteer has been taken away from us by his beloved.
Women !
Fianna
Dec 28 2003, 12:42 PM
I dunno what way you's do it in Moscow, but in Ireland if you're caught driving pissed you're well and truely fucked!
Patrick
Dec 28 2003, 02:38 PM
Then it is a Grand thing that we enjoy sex so much
It might be a long drive indeed. He is in either Barcelona or Puerto Rico. We would have to drive the Inter-Atlantic tunnel.
Sean
Dec 29 2003, 01:05 AM
Fianna, truely fucked? Are Garda puffs? Unbelievable!
Of course if you're nailed driving and being jober as a sudge you'll be deep in shite.
That's why I do not have a car
Fianna
Dec 29 2003, 03:18 PM
Inter-Atlantic Tunnel? Nah, we'll just get stoned and flyyyyyyy!
Patrick
Dec 29 2003, 05:17 PM
Question..... Do they grow Mushrooms in Ireland?
WorkingClassGermany
Jan 9 2004, 08:29 AM
Well I'd like to see Ireland united again too. But I think war isn't a resolution... Mr. Bush wouldn't like to see more terrorism
And well 1798 I just read... well don't look back... I could say Germany was a great Empire once upon a time too... but well history is history... And I think another period of bombing doesn't help to reunificat Ireland... Sometime the British will leave the northern part alone....
Fianna
Jan 9 2004, 05:09 PM
Bush doesn't dictate what course of action Republicans take, we are not lapdogs to leaders of empires.
1798 is an inspiration to many WorkingClassGermany, I for one look back on it with respect and admiration, not with shame and pity.
Sl�n
Charlotte
Jan 9 2004, 05:17 PM
'L'Espoir est une M�moire qui d�sire'
Hope is a Memory that desires
(if anyone has a better translation or if my grammar isn't correct, feel free to suggest another translation)
Fianna
Jan 10 2004, 03:14 PM
lol Santa and Republicanism go hand in hand, you can't talk about one without talking about the other...
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