Republicanism, What makes you one?
Irelands_Son |
Mar 10 2004, 10:03 PM
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Soldier of Ireland Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 92 Joined: 22-December 03 From: Canada Member No.: 141 |
I've have been getting a lot of how would I say BS emails and posts at my site saying I have no right call myself a republican because I don't live in Ireland nor have I experienced any of the troubles there!
Im very bothered by this as I feel that that is not true! If possible can you maybe check some of the post there and respond here (Celtic-lyrics forum rules) with what you think as to what is being said! Im getting shite for my decision to support certain paramilatery groups etc and all of this is comming from Irish Republicans ! so they say! Cheers :ph34r: Irish Republican Chat |
Charlotte |
Mar 11 2004, 01:54 AM
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Unity, Freedom and Peace supporter Group: Celtic Lyrics Moderator Posts: 630 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Paris, France Member No.: 6 |
Mmmmh yeah I kinda know the feeling.
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Fianna |
Mar 11 2004, 06:55 AM
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�glach Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 298 Joined: 18-May 03 From: Baile �tha Cliath, Saorst�t Eireann Member No.: 39 |
Wolfetone was one of the greatest Irish Republicans that has ever contributed to our cause.
He was a Frenchman, a foreigner. So you are in good company Irelands_Son. And remember that Republicanisms greatest enemies and traitors are in many cases Irish. Sl�n go foill a chara |
Chucky Armagh |
Mar 11 2004, 07:22 AM
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Daith� Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 173 Joined: 11-July 03 From: Switzerland Member No.: 68 |
Wolfe Tone was NOT French. he may have served in the French army but he was definitely Irish.
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Charlotte |
Mar 11 2004, 07:24 AM
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Unity, Freedom and Peace supporter Group: Celtic Lyrics Moderator Posts: 630 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Paris, France Member No.: 6 |
Indeed, Wolfe Tones was part of the French Army, but he wasn't French.
An honour for France to have had such a man in its army |
Chucky Armagh |
Mar 11 2004, 07:28 AM
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Daith� Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 173 Joined: 11-July 03 From: Switzerland Member No.: 68 |
Born 20th Jun 1763, 44 Stafford Street (Wolfe Tone Street), Dublin Son of a coach-maker
Sorry, don't mean to be a smartarse mo chara :P |
Fianna |
Mar 11 2004, 04:13 PM
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�glach Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 298 Joined: 18-May 03 From: Baile �tha Cliath, Saorst�t Eireann Member No.: 39 |
In fairness now he was more a Frenchman than an Irishman. You're right though mo chara, Irish by birth. I'm no big expert on Wolfetone anyway, but he sure as hell didn't have to do what he did.
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Charlotte |
Mar 11 2004, 04:40 PM
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Unity, Freedom and Peace supporter Group: Celtic Lyrics Moderator Posts: 630 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Paris, France Member No.: 6 |
He committed suicide when he got to know he wouldn't be treated as a French officer and be shot rather than hung. So yes, there was something French in him.
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Irelands_Son |
Mar 11 2004, 06:46 PM
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Soldier of Ireland Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 92 Joined: 22-December 03 From: Canada Member No.: 141 |
This clown quotes bobby Sands then insults everything Bobby stood for! It is just a wee bit annoying to listen to this person! So thats why I come home to feel the love of my fellow true Republicans!
They are complaining that I have a pic of an IRA with my posts! :rolleyes: Maybe you's can put a word or two down at my forum to hush the loud mouths as I have put another link to this forum but I might remove it cause we already have a big mouth here BASTARD B) |
Patrick |
Mar 12 2004, 05:08 AM
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Head of Moderators Group: Celtic Lyrics Moderator Posts: 619 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Mid-west United States Member No.: 5 |
If you were referring to IRAbastards, I think he finally got the message :ph34r:
OOh Ah, Up the RA :o |
setanta |
Mar 13 2004, 05:50 AM
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V Group: Member Posts: 7 Joined: 6-March 04 Member No.: 267 |
Irelands Son, I have visited your site to view it and was very impressed with the arguments on it, however, I must comment on what you have stated on this site.
You have complained that people are telling you that because you are not from Ireland you can not claim to be a republican, I do not believe this is the message that people are tring to give you via their posts, emails might be different I can not comment. The people of Ireland have always been and continue to be grateful for the help and support they recieve from sympethisers in America, Europe and indeed any other country that offers support. What they are giving you "shit" about is your view of Irelands way forward, one which will no doubt lead to more death, destruction and murder on both sides. You propose the disbandment of the provisional IRA to be replaced by the continuity IRA and the RIRA. What can this achieve? The provisionals have brought us to the point when we can nearly remove the gun from our politics with patience this will be achieved not by stocking more weapons and then having to go through the process of rebuilding trust and decomissioning another army. This is why people disagree with you. Many people here claim freedom then peace, I believe the process is violence, -we have passed- peace, -we are in- then freedom - it is coming. Are arms have indeed brought the opportune moment to establish a permanent, national government representative of the whole of Ireland, therefore the need for war has passed and peace is the way forward in current circumstances. Regarding the loudmouths, you asked for advice on the site, people put forward what was explicitly described as "constructive criticism" and asked you "not to take it the wrong way" you should be grateful, and if you do not like it I believe you are the moderator on that site.... I do feel that your site is of good quality balanced debate and would recommend it to most people here, keep up the good work and take a few moments to think what your plans would achieve. Keep up the good work and I look forward to posting on your site in the future. |
Irelands_Son |
Mar 14 2004, 09:24 AM
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Soldier of Ireland Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 92 Joined: 22-December 03 From: Canada Member No.: 141 |
Thanks for your opinion. I have to agree with what you said about they are critizing my ideas of how Ireland will be left in peace. Im not saying that the CIRA or RIRA should continue to carry on an armed sruggle, all Im saying is i don't trust a single word uttered by the Brits! So as a precautionary measure I feel that the IRA's should be on a stand by.
These Negotiation have failed in the past, this not sound like the proper thing to say but You can't teach an old Dog new tricks! Whether I live there or not I hear about everything that happens every day. Through this site and others I have made many friends around the world and most of all Ireland and what I've heard is very good as far as the British commitment to peace goes! So I will accept the constructive critisism and just wait until the day I can say I TOLD YOU SO! :ph34r: Erin Go Bragh |
setanta |
Mar 14 2004, 10:40 AM
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V Group: Member Posts: 7 Joined: 6-March 04 Member No.: 267 |
"There are better and more dedicated groups out there that will continue to do what the Irish Republican Army was intended to do."
This is a quote from you that you have posted on your own site. Can you please inform me what these better and more dedicated groups are. The only groups that I can think of that this refers to are the continuity et al. If this is indeed the case then does this not contradict your view in your previous response? "Im not saying that the CIRA or RIRA should continue to carry on an armed struggle." You also state on this site that you believe the IRA should be on standbye just in case, yet on your own site you have voted for decommisioning to take place. If they were to decomission then they would not be much use on standby with no weapons. Please can you clarify whether or not you believe the splinter groups should carry on with the war, if not who are these better groups. On the issue of where you live I have made no comment regarding not being able to comment because of where you live please do not feel that this is my view. I am pleased to see people from different countries supporting the cause. |
Irelands_Son |
Mar 15 2004, 05:59 PM
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Soldier of Ireland Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 92 Joined: 22-December 03 From: Canada Member No.: 141 |
Ok here it is in a simple way.
I said........... I had to vote yes I think they should because the Provos have been infiltrated! They can do us no good now while the current leadership is said to have another spy in the higher ranks. Steak knife was said to have been watched by another British Army agent in the PIRA. Some of the greatest loss of life and mission failures of the PIRA was because of this traitor. ex. Longhall There are better and more dedicated groups out there that will continue to do what the Irish Republican Army was intended to do! For those of you who have no clue http://republicanchat.proboards20.com/inde...7919152&start;=0 Second as to when I said that the IRA's should not carry on an arms struggle, What I mean is they should not go out attack targets hard or soft! They should have their weapons and should train so they are ready. They should be a defensive force not an offensive, but always, always accertive! :ph34r: |
Christophe |
Mar 16 2004, 10:30 AM
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C Group: Celtic Lyrics Cairde Posts: 314 Joined: 13-April 03 From: Ghent - Ronse Member No.: 21 |
To Ireland's son: I read through the posts on your site and noticed a little untruth... ;)
You stated Switzerland is a neutral country and still has an army... Well, not entirely true, that is. Switzerland hasn't got a -conventional- army like other countries: it's the people who actually are the army. At adult age citizens are called active in the "army" to serve their first two years. They get their personal weapons (rifle, etc.) and after these two years they can take their uniform and weapon back home, after some years (I think ten, but not sure) they are called back in the "army" again and so on. Still between the times they serve they are "reserves" able to be called active in "emergency" situations. Quite strange situation, but I think it isn't such a bad one... The army also hasn't any heavy artillery or so: it's a citizen army: light-armed troops... So everybody is a bit of a soldier in Switzerland... So now you know! ;) |
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