hey,

i'm coming to see Ireland!
i'll spend 10 days (starting 2005 September 26) in Dublin and Galway, so will use this info on right places in Dublin :)
if ye have anything to add to this advice (also concerning Galway) please go ahead.
B)

i have this song (the file name is smth like "Irish Rebel Ballads - Ireland Unfree"), and i don't quite get some of the words, but couldn't find them anywhere on internet. can you help me out with the whole lyrics? and who is the performer/author of this song?

the song goes smth like "there's an uneasy breeze a rustle of the leaves..."
and "sky still echoes a cry, a cry that never can ceize cuz Ireland unfree will never be at peace"
and "yes men may come and men may run, but this is the cause that wont seize cuz Ireland unfree will never be at peace" at the end of the song.

just saw "Michael Collins".
not too much of a great movie, but an interesting story. (and as far as i know - pretty much close to the facts, except maybe the thing that he wasn't the only one main figure that won the war as may seem from the movie)
i wonder:
what do ye think of M.Collins and 1921 treaty? was that the right step? or were they supposed to fight till victory or death? cuz that was an important issue in the film...

totally agree with you here.

i'd prefer Kerry to Bush simply cuz he intends to try peacefully solve conflicts instead of war. and Bush (at least from what he says and does) really seems like a retarded disturbed individual...

finally watched 'bloody sunday'. great movie. almost documentary. strong, intense, shocking. :mellow:

(offtopic: two of me friends went to live in Limerick for about half a year to earn some chips for their further journey to Mexico - i hope they'll find me some pogues/dubliners/clansybros DVDs to send me to Lithuania, cuz i managed to download mp3, but never any visual material :rolleyes: )

great song indeed.

btw just saw stanley kubrick's "barry lyndon", an epic movie about irish wanderer based on novel by thackeray. great movie. ant there was that scene when barry met another irishman away from his country and they both got along just because of that tho they were supposed to be enemies. i wish all the nations had that kind of sense of belonging...
:rolleyes:

'lend me ten pounds
i'll buy you a drink...'

cheers!

:D :D :D

black velvet band
foggy dew
god save ireland

hell, it's anything if luke kelly is singing!

if not celtic, i'd go for nordic black metal! B)

yea.
1991 January - Soviet troops fired on civilians outside television tower in Vilnius, killing 13 and injuring several hundred. reminds of bloody sunday, yet the situation and the outcome is very different. being warlike and big nation for many old centuries, my country has been unable to openly resist huge neighbours for the last several hundred years untill it all ended in 1991.
Soviet Union was forced to recognize Lithuania's independence because we did not shoot a single soviet soldier (since the last guerilas were gunned down in the fourties there were only passive resistance by writers, intelectuals- what we call 'singing revolution') and the whole nation expressed their will in referendum. absolutely clear in the eyes of the world. yet the situation is completely diferent from NI or any other conflicts as the constitution of soviet union itself declared the right of any of the 15 republicas of soviet union to leave whenever majority agrees.
i dont think any of the lithuanians feel any hatred towards russian nation, we all live here together, soviet system was what we fought.
i'm also acquainted with situation in Chechnia by meeting some people from both sides (even the ones who participated in combat). Sean could indulge us more on this subject, which is again very different.
hundreds of similar yet very unique conflicts between the opressor and the opressed break out since the beggining of times and could be talked over and over and surely are.
history and historians should help prevent mistakes, alas history tends to repeat. and the definition of the bad/wrong and good/right is too often made only by the winner.

i think this thread is nonsense to begin with.
people do not accept the situation, they have different visions of the future, so they fight. when they are not able to fight openly they go underground and do some bombs. you can't stop that by saying 'why attack BI?'.
some talk of hearing the different opinion, but IMO this is not a matter of opinion. like 'in my opinion BI are not bad guys' and 'in my opinion i will do some shooting and some bomb triggering'. i do not consider one side 'evil' and the other 'right'. it's just a conflict. however i admire one side over the other because of their motivation, determination, courage and self-sacrifice. and surely it is a fight for freedom, even tho minority's fight for freedom still you can't deny that this is definitely the situation of the enslaver and enslaved.
bloodshed is the worst thing, and i don't think i would ever go kill someone, situations similar to Palestine lead to country's becoming the cradle of sick brutal killers without any remains of culture or morality. but if someone chooses the way of the gun, i just accept the fact and don't go spamming and flaming over the variations of 'why attack BI?'
B)

(if some say i should shut up 'cause i never were to Ireland, they probably right, tho i'm closely acquainted with similar conflicts)

nice!
ya by takzhe niotkazalsia vypit vodocki ;)
(sorry for offtopic everyone)

i live in Vilnius atm. next time let me know- i'll show you local best pubs and thugs :)
as for us being near jamaica- why not take a look at the map or just 'google' some? :)
these might be of some brief help:
http://www.scantours.com/lithuania_history.htm
http://neris.mii.lt/history/history.html
http://neris.mii.lt/history/ldkd.html

never been to Ireland. just happen to be in pationate love with irish folk music, The Pogues, The Dubliners, some bagpipe music (Galgary Highlanders are marvelous), then one day i started to get interested in all the history behind the lyrics, saw several movies, and ended up being very fond of the whole culture and history. very few here really have idea about IRA issues; people who call themselves 'celtic music fans' ussually listen to clannad/enya and stuff like that, which is ussually too cheesy for me.
and surely the best way to spend my freetime is get a couple of friends, some beer and whiskey and sing (or usually it should be called 'roar') irish drinking songs or even better irish war songs! :)
i think there are plenty of illegal and legal immigrants in Ireland from Lithuania, and some irishmen live here as well, so probably they or their relatives here are pretty much acquainted with the subject, tho as i mentioned few of the guys that i work or hang out with know smth more than Ireland being an island somewhere in Europe :)

i am greatful for all the recommendations, especially to Sean. some of those movies i saw, some not. as for satelite programs- i do not possess a TV, so 'no go' here :) however, i have lots of friends and acquaintances and large movie collections (dvd, vhs, cd's, etc) are available to me, thus i hope i'll be able to fulfill my needs there :)
(someone asked where were i from- i dwell in Lithuania- great land, don't be mistaken- me not having a TV set is a very big exception :))

hey
can anyone recommend some nice movies on irish/scottish/celtic issues (specially war/battle/conflict related ones)?
what comes to my mind is (already mentioned here) 'bloody sunday', 'michael collins', 'devil's own', 'brave heart'... i have a feeling that i've missed a lot of this kind of valuable stuf here tho...

wow, thanks both of you, that was a lot of help indeed ;)
again sorry for lame question- could anyone direct me into some decent internet resources for irish (or celtic in general) mythology/culture, maybe gaelic dictionaries and such?

A question again:
I'm not Irish so I have no idea and I wonder what is this guy C�nla that appears on the song 'C�nla'? :)

anyone has an idea on where to download pogues or dubliners videos from?

thanks.